What is bullshit? That we should expect citations, or that it's standard practice? Your comment only goes on to describe the situations in which citat...
Deleting unargued, un cited, and un related content promotes robust discussion, it is not a detriment. If you want to join in robust discussion, post ...
Only if people vote randomly. If people's votes reflect their political preferences then clearly their political preferences determine the outcome. Ot...
I see what you mean. I think maybe the misunderstanding here is in the sort of movement I'm imagining. Brexit was popular (despite people not actually...
I'm not following your line of thinking. The brexit movement promoted brexit sufficiently to get it done. What's that got to do with the votes they go...
And that does what? I don't think anyone is denying it's an option. This would only be the case if voting were random. It isn't. Someone's voting beha...
Absolutely. I don't see how that contradicts anything I've said. Voting gives a slightly more accurate impression of how people feel politically than ...
Fair enough. It seems like such a weak position shown false by the simplest of counterarguments that I find it very hard to believe I haven't simply m...
No. It's about simple discussion protocols. If you want to contribute to a thread you should make your case (not just state facts) and cite the suppor...
Apart from the fact that your citations do not support the claims you made, you provided them after several pages of repeated requests from at least t...
Then how are we ever wrong? The direct realists you've cited for me all say we can be wrong. But all the direct realists you've cited include the poss...
You posted a completely uncited claim without even describing how it related to the argument. You refused to provide any citation when asked. You cont...
A hidden state is directly visible. The process of 'seeing' is one of inferring what hidden states are. Again, if you want anything more direct than '...
Yes, that's a position I'd agree with, but I take the view that we do not in any way 'see' this second notion. It is a post hoc construct of meta-theo...
Yeah, thanks. Michael linked me there too, but I'm not seeing the theory you and Michael are expounding about direct realists believing colour actuall...
That's right. Nobody's vote carries weight in the matter of affecting the way we are governed. Votes are a statistical exercise. It's like claiming th...
But in Locke it says... ...and he was cited as an example of these direct realists. IF you have a different source, perhaps you could cite it for me? ...
No, it's not like those things at all. If I reduce my carbon footprint then I have done some very small amount of good. It may not be enough on my own...
They don't, they just have to be roughly agreed for us to talk. We have to have some common ground. If you get to make up the laws as well as the theo...
How could it possibly mean that? No. there can't be any physical laws about it at all. You can't claim colour is not a physical property of objects an...
Indeed, but you're using the vagueries of colour sensation (which Locke already decided was a secondary quality) to show that objects do not resemble ...
But the phenomenological sense of 'appear' can't possibly apply to the world (without imparting consciousness to all objects) so the same problem aris...
If they're really arguing that we're never wrong, however the world seems, that's how it is, then they should consider the earth flat, the sun in its ...
Indeed. It's a reductio argument. I think it doesn't make sense that an object is (normally) two colours at once because I think colour is a property ...
I agree with your assessment of how important this topic is to broader political and social goals. I think generally it's a good system, you'll be no ...
Why can't that wavelength be both green and purple? Your argument is that colour is a property of experience becasue two people see different colours ...
Voting (or not) does not decide my future. It's not a belief, it's a fact. If 60% of the electorate want candidate A, then candidate A will be elected...
How? Talk me through the logic. I know. You made a claim about its properties. Properties you also claim we do not experience. So I'm wondering how yo...
How do you know? I thought we had no direct knowledge of the external world. Now you're saying that it's objects are definitely such that they can't b...
Maybe, but the question was about it's being a political position, not a protest. IF voting Labour is a political position (despite the fact that it m...
No. I said it was highly probable. Getting what you want by voting isn't. It's quite literally only going to achieve that if yours happens to be the c...
Say there are two parties, the car party and the anti-car party. In my village, everyone has a car which they drive whenever, clean lovingly on Sunday...
That's just repeating the assertion, not explaining why. Probably. That's because it's provably true that dieting and exercise has a very high probabi...
How do either of these positions differ in the case of voting? It is also impossible to tell the difference between enthusiastic support and reluctant...
Begging the question. That's the matter we're disagreeing on. So when you said... ...what did you mean? The Standard Model might (as you admit above) ...
But that's not the same as consenting to the policies of those who get in. Simply consenting that whomever got in is the legal holder of the that offi...
What does it mean to 'match' a model? Are you saying that scientific realism says we've got our models right? I don't see why resemblance even enters ...
I'm saying that the term 'red apple' refers to the hidden state we model as a red apple. And additionally that this is consistent with our best model ...
We wouldn't, no. Because we are humans and the word 'pitch' in human language doesn't describe a property of a wall reflecting sound. The word 'colour...
How does modern science tell us walls don't have a pitch? This is about language use, not science. If we were bats we might well describe walls as hav...
Can you give an example from a direct realist? I should have highlighted 'there'. Your claim, unless I'm mistaken, is exactly that the green apple isn...
Indeed. But division is not independence. To divide an army into units is not to say they're independent, nor is it to say they're not all still part ...
An example then. Most people, if asked, will say that it was morally right to fight the Nazis. Do you think all those Nazi soldiers consented to the i...
@"Pinprick" has already done so, I'd just be repeating what they've already said. People do not hold that as a moral belief because it is impossible t...
Something @"Pinprick" just showed you to be false. Most procreators do not consider your rules to be the basics of moral interaction for exactly the r...
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