Isaac

Why, do you think that most experts would not agree?

You most certainly said something like that. What is odd about causal and influence being conjoined?

I'm not about to waste my time linking papers by authorities you fully intend to reject. I've been here before and spent half the day looking up links...

I'm not sure what I can do to answer this more fully than I already have. Psychology deals with observed causes and effects and fits them to hypothese...

But this is what I mean re burden of proof. You're suggesting that the 'so called' experts are not to be trusted, that it would be best not to make ha...

Yes, and as I think I have even seen you write before, knowledge is not a matter of proof. We are able to show that it is a cause to the satisfaction ...

This is nonsense. We've just agreed (I thought) that for a thing to be causal it only need to be one cause among others. What (in a world of free will...

Yes, but still.. Given even a limited choice, they made a really bad one. But this is off topic, I shouldn't have started it.

Just as a complete aside... Don't you live in a democracy? Why would you be concerned about the direction the democratically elected government is tak...

Well, there you go. Your intuition tells you they are different. The fact that we can't measure that difference is unproblematic for you because you a...

But we have shown that it is a cause. I've detailed the probable causal chain in one of my posts. The fact that we haven't shown it to your satisfacti...

But it does tell you something about causes. It tells you that the factor which correlates is more likely to be a cause than one which doesn't. So tak...

You seem to be unfamiliar with the meaning of the word 'cause' my evidence being that you cannot accept something as a cause if it is merely contribut...

As have I.

We've been through this already. I maintain that correlation does imply causation. I'm happy to adapt my language to whatever deductive strength you p...

That pretty much nails it. Despite... "Causality (also referred to as causation, or cause and effect) is efficacy, by which one process or state, a ca...

Yeah, this is something that I really can't understand about their tactics. We argue for positions which are personal moral evaluations all the time. ...

How does it follow? I'm struggling to even think of any definition of 'moral' which would cause this to follow, let alone a conventional one. Why does...

Echolocation, controlling the sea's salt content, maintaining atmospheric oxygen levels, hibernation, cloud-creation, pollination, soil-making... What...

Then I've misunderstood your question (as has everybody else it would seem). You've phrased it in a very weird way. If what you mean to ask is "by wha...

Just printing out the argument isn't going to help and shows a complete unwillingness to engage. I'm familiar with Van Inwagen's argument, I don't nee...

Again, as I've asked before - why is the burden of proof on me to demonstrate that people do not have free will in this regard? It is you who are maki...

Again, you're merely speculating on the consequences which such censorship as we're discussing here might have. That's fine, but for the fact that you...

Firstly, why would I need to specify all of the causal links in the chain if you are, as you claim, not dismissing correlations. Either the correlatio...

Who said anything about the causal connection being about hate speech on its own? If hate speech were one factor which together with other factors, le...

I could say the same, where does that get us? I've read what you've already written, reached the conclusions I have about the substance of your argume...

Um... What alternative do you think I have apart from what I think you're arguing? Telepathy?

"sometimes people commit the opposite fallacy – dismissing correlation entirely. This would dismiss a large swath of important scientific evidence. Si...

So none then.

Sure... So your counter-argument to my position as it currently stands is...?

That is becoming clear. When this website is renamed "Stuff Terrapin Reckons" then I will leave you to it. Until then I intend to continue presenting ...

Why is correcting an error a 'spin'? Why would you conduct a debate in such a bizzare fashion?

I'm not 'inserting' it. This isn't an essay competition. I'm allowed to correct and clarify errors. It is part of the substance of my argument. Whethe...

How does that relate to the argument you presented in support of this conclusion... "Can you think of a single person, past or present, that has the m...

By 'legislate' I mean to refer to the process of deciding law, not the process of making law. A decision must be made, there is no natural default pos...

So no demand for proof of direct physical causation when it comes the the negative effects of censorship? We just legislate on whatever effects you 'r...

As I said, how do you suppose scientific knowledge progresses if correlation is not taken to imply the possibility of causation. Do you suppose that s...

Of course correlation implies causation. The expression is that correlation is not causation. Ie the one is not necessarily the other. Are you serious...

I may be wrong, but I'd bet no-one here has even mentioned hate speech being the cause of violence, so your claim that A alone is not the cause of C i...

But, as you still have not answered, you've eliminated joint cause. For a carburettor to 'cause' the motion of an engine, it requires both fuel input ...

I'm not sure what kind of an answer you'd want to a question like this. I'm not even sure knowledge comes in 'types' but I'm much more sure that it ne...

I'm not sure why you're addressing this comment to me as I've clearly indicated that I already think the correlation between hate speech and violence ...

The fact that you have to ask these questions (rather than simply provide me with empirical evidence of the answers) means that it is possible that th...

I understand what you're getting at, but I'm not sure the confusion is to do with free will applying necessarily to 'fault' but not necessarily applyi...

Fault does not require free will. We talk without any difficulty at all, about how the sun "causes" the earth to warm up. We do not get caught up havi...

These are both empirical statements, not philosophical ones. Whether there is a correlation between hate speech and violence is an empirical fact, in ...

I don't understand what Van Inwagen's argument has to do with what you are presenting here. Van Inwagen's argument is about the necessity of moral res...

Nope, still not seeing where choice causes an increase in accuracy. You could have a predetermined conclusion on all those questions with no less likl...

No, I'm not following this line of argument either. Why does being compelled (by whatever factors) to believe something make that belief inherently a ...

So we don't have 100% control over our beliefs or mores, they are at least partly caused by other factors, but we do have 100% control over our respon...