Then what causes the actions in question? Without invoking your religious supernaturalism, what is it that causes the action? Something with evidence ...
Right. So why do you keep presenting the fact that speech does not exhaustively and consistently cause certain behaviours as if it were an argument. I...
OK two groups of football gamblers. One have seen the pre-match commentary in which the manager talks about what a bad feeling he has about the game, ...
OK, so take the bet. If all that has changed is the mere existence of words, then the actions of the BBC journalist's will be unaffected, words have n...
Right, so if you dispute 2 then take the bet. The politician's speech is unable to change reality, so whatever probability existed in reality that the...
Well then you've confused necessary and sufficient causes. Injection of fuel does not 'force' an engine to turn, it requires other factors, yet no fac...
Again. My claim is not that people are simply now able to talk about the new thing in the world (the speech act). It is that they are vastly more like...
I didn't say you did. Your claim was that speech had no consequences on others. If speech has no consequences on others then it cannot affect the likl...
No one throughout this entire discussion has used the word 'forced' nor any term like it to describe the effect speech acts have on others, so why wou...
Tell you what. Let's use Twitter. Have a look at the BBC twitter feed and we'll note what they're talking about. Then we'll wait for some politician t...
You mean like repeating the phrase "gas the Jews" over and over again, as actually happened in that case. You mean the absolutely massive £800 infring...
For the hundredth time, no one is claiming this. Why do you keep arguing against it. The claim is that someone having previously said "think of a blue...
Because both those expressions make it more likely that people will think violent actions against those groups or in favour of those causes are accept...
Where did I say you would? I never said would. I said you were vastly more likely to than you would have have been without my saying it. If you took t...
Oh, and one more thing about Hitler that's not been answered yet. Why on earth did Hitler ban opposition speech, and why does anyone care that he did....
No. Not any reaction. That's the point. I don't just have any reaction to you saying "imagine a blue elephant". I might stubbornly refuse to imagine a...
Not at all, because CS is in this culture, not the Moloch. So by the standard he describes child sacrifice is immoral because we think that it is immo...
Who said anything about the necessary cause? A necessary cause. A necessary cause. A necessary cause. Do you understand the difference between necessa...
Yes. I'm pretty sure that the suppression of opposition speech was the first thing Hitler did after some other thing he did. That's basically how thin...
My understanding the language wasn't the part I was confused about. I'm quite happy that me understanding English is a necessary cause of me imagining...
Of course they did. Any half-wit dictator could work out the necessity of doing that. The point is that in absolutely no historical case did the proce...
This is a joke surely? How is that I understand what you say and not some other unrelated thing? If you say "imagine a blue elephant" how is that I im...
Exactly. A perfectly normal activity for anyone living in the real world to have to contend with. Compromise, weighing harms, pragmatism... Doesn't an...
Yes, classic slippery slope. I'm thinking of starting a petition to get the law against murdering children repealed, fancy signing up? You know... Fir...
Where did I say they are the same thing? We're talking about causality. It is sufficient that they are connected for effects in one to have consequenc...
It is absolutely causal. The chain of causality between light hitting the lens and changes in the state of the brain is one of the more well documente...
So if your speaking has consequences for you via biological mechanisms, then what biological barrier is in place to prevent those same consequences in...
And by what mechanism is such coercion exercised? If words have no consequences, it can't be words. If the response to someone throwing rocks of a bui...
Then I think this (together with with your rampant sociopathy) is where we are irreconcilable. I just can't understand any foundational principle that...
Right. So again, why would you engage in an activity which has zero consequences. Why even choose English words, why not just gdfrfdfljjdfkkkj cfddfff...
Our objectives and strategies are not either merely a collection of arbitrary whims or strict philosophical principles. Our foundational positions may...
You didn't restrict your comments previously to telekinesis. You said "no consequences" not just no macro-scale physical consequences on inanimate obj...
But why? You still haven't given your reasons apart from a desire to adhere to some random philosophical principle. You have a choice. Ask everyone wh...
Yes. Because remember the third option... Life's not perfect. Sometimes we have to accept a very substandard compromise where there's no better altern...
Yes. The second one. Because the third option is that we have no laws at all preventing actions which severely curtail people's freedom in blatantly o...
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