No - why would I need to convince you otherwise? If I thought your views might cause harm to me or others, then maybe I'd have a crack at convincing y...
Yeah, as Sushi says, with conventional definitions I can't see how the question makes sense. 'Unconscious' is a label given to those mental phenomena ...
It obviously depends on what you're going to class as 'mind', 'concious' and 'phenomena'. Define the terms in a standard way and there's definitely un...
Our sense of fairness/justice consists of anything we want it to consist of. It's not a term that pre-exists humans making it up. I'm pretty sure none...
Yes, that is what I'm asking you about. If my null hypothesis were that attributes such as a sense of fairness were not unique to humans, what kind of...
Ah, I see what you mean now. You mean "the artist must....in order to produce art" . I read it as "the artist must..." in the same sense as the non-ar...
You said "I found it rather odd that they chose some experiments/games which are not even capable of showing in humans what they are wanting the same ...
The experiments were done with appearing and disappearing dots of ambiguous contrast with cameras facing the eyes that track movement. Subjects were f...
No, it's not just an alternative, it's the model which minimises variance. You're making the same unwarranted presumption Terrapin made about artists....
Yeah, I agree. We can actually see a lot of this happening in the brain. When you imagine a tree, the visual cortex is engaged in a very similar way t...
Yeah, fair enough. I see where you're coming from, but there's more than just the very basic emotions hardwired into the brain from birth. The somatos...
The trouble with that approach is it seems to set an unreasonably high bar not consistent with other objects. No one has any objection to me talking a...
But can't you, for example, imagine how you'd feel if you won the lottery? Surely there you'd be imagining a feeling, not an image? Even visualising y...
I'm not so sure personification is unwarranted. We immediately personify humans we meet and it would have been grossly incongruous, for example, for m...
Yeah, I think we're on the same page as far as the fact that models relate, but that doesn't in itself, lead to external world properties somehow havi...
'Minimise variance' is quite specific to variance within modelled statistical distributions, not just any and all variance. One semi-closed system (sa...
Minimising variance is a well-supported principle of self-organising systems. A large proportion of neuroscience, and significant sectors of biology a...
Well yeah, constructivism is pretty much where I'm coming from,im afraid. I mean, there's varieties of constructivist, but in the sense of model-depen...
I think you're not understanding the meaning of the word arbitrary. It just means on a whim, without a system or reason. Not without a system or reaso...
I'm not so much asking about the correct categorisation as just talking about what I see as the implications. You can call it what you like. The fact ...
Yes absolutely. I fear we might be talking past one another here. I'm not in any sense arguing that there are not external states, nor that our intern...
Yes, pretty much. I think it's possible to understand what things do, how we can interact with them etc without language, but 'a box' is a distinct(is...
Yes, maybe, but we're talking to each other here. It's not true to say anyone can experience a box without sharing a common worded representation of b...
OK, but consider you're walking along the floor in some weird house, your feature detection system is telling you the floor is not level, you check wi...
Unfortunately not, but I do have an ear infection which is making me more than usually cranky (which is very cranky). I'm a little fed up in general, ...
Yes, but it obviously seems that way to me otherwise I wouldn't have wrote what I wrote. It's not really much a contribution just to say "you got that...
-> -> If you don't like my answers then fine, but it's pointless keep asking for them as I haven't given you any, we're just going tend up going round...
We don't need to know anything about what's 'really' there, we seem, just as a species, to be fundamentally interested in variance minimising. There a...
I'm not 100% sure I get what you're saying here, so I may go off on entirely the wrong tangent, but... What I was trying to say to Sushi in the commen...
Ha. You're simply 'explaining' what is the case, as opposed to what I think is the case. As I said... But you see a square. People can be genuinely fo...
Yet... ...and this isn't an abstraction? I'm struggling to see any more depth to your argument than "things are not the way you think they are, they'r...
T1 is an infinitesimally small point, so I don't see how it can coherently have any data attached to it. Even so, properties of some object at some pa...
A few things perhaps unrelated to each other... 1. Obviously we'd be talking about a situation where we're comparing two participants both in A's plac...
We determine anything by reference to deeper models, things like consistency and non-contradiction. We know (by reference to these) that observations ...
No, I presume I'm observing reality, but observing is a model-mediated process. I don't 'observe' without modelling. I see what I expect to see to a c...
Everything I think is some model or other of the reality I'm thinking about, so there is no question that I can answer outside of some model or other....
You'd have to reference the exact question for me to give you a comprehensive answer, but as to the topic in general, it's obviously one about the nat...
As I just tried to explain. One model for one type of behaviour - philosophising - no objects. Another model for another type of behaviour - relating ...
I'm asking about the placeholders in my model, the same model I presume you have since were both human beings and I think such basics as object perman...
Ahh, that makes more sense. But look at Ramachandran's self-awareness experiments. Does the table have sensory receptors which link to our brains? Typ...
Well not just creations, I never said anything like that. I'm personally quite convinced there's some external reality, but if we're just talking abou...
Exactly, so where's my role in this phenomenal investigation? You say "let's just investigate what it is we actually experience, let's use that as our...
I'm questioning both the accuracy (in terms of language use) and the usefulness (for our investigation) of that connection. I don't think "can you ima...
This is all just another tired old variation on the same lame arguments we had against the "what it's like" objection. "it's obvious...", "you really ...
Whether I can imagine a box with no sides or volume depends on what I decide a 'box' is. Since I'm encountering new concepts all the time, I'm quite u...
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