I just listed a whole load of policies which you clearly don't take their word as gospel. I do exactly the same with vaccination guidance, yet you thi...
Exactly. So all your moralising about people smarter than me was all bullshit. You don't listen unconditionally to the people smarter than you either....
Bullshit. Unless you're Greta fucking Thunberg, you do not comply with every single recommendation made to limit risk of harm to others. If you're jus...
That wasn't the question. The question was whether you avoid all things that people smarter than you recommend you avoid for the benefit other's well-...
Good job dialing down the rage. Same apply to all avoiding these measures? Or these https://www.gov.uk/government/news/healthy-eating-guidance-publish...
I fully intend to. I mask, I socially distance, I wash my hands. I don't see what that's got to do with the question of public health policy. The ques...
I disagree (surprised?). The mechanism is where we direct our response and as such our analysis of things like cost-effectiveness and plausibility. At...
Indeed it would be if there were suitably compelling evidence that vaccination did indeed reduce transmission in two key ways; 1. Over and above other...
Trouble is though... https://youtu.be/kgAJntmfdGo Emotional policy-making doesn't have any means of separating the immediacy of an image of a dying Gr...
Yes, I agree, I was only trying to outline what might be considered, but it's outside my area of expertise. An extreme case I can think of could be wh...
It depends on the circumstances. I'm not involved in such cases directly, but I'd imagine the rights of the father and the woman's previously expresse...
So an irrational action must carry zero risk, but a rational action can carry a non-zero risk, morally. Is that your position? You've not answered the...
Agreed. A ways back in this thread, I related a discussion with colleagues about prescribing carbamazepine to reduce aggression. We cannot simply do s...
Also... ... are not your standards are they? As the question asked (related to vaccine hesitancy) was "...if the reasons for a woman to have an aborti...
Irrelevant. We are not, in any other walk of life obliged to reduce our risks until they are as low as it is possible to make them. In all other walks...
My reasons for not getting the vaccine are: it's unnecessary for my age/health group the risk is lower than many other acceptable risks, there is limi...
Yes, agreed. But the reasons we, as a society, currently find acceptable are not in question. I'm arguing about the data, not society's capricious pre...
Oh, and... ... is bullshit. Try posting you went on a bender last night here on this forum, then post that you've no intention of getting the vaccine....
Let me give an example. Hospital admission rates for heart disease are something in the region of 200/100,000, depending on which country you're in. T...
That's true. I don't see what that's got to do with the case I'm arguing. I'm not suggesting that society finds the risks from lack of vaccination to ...
The evidence is overwhelming that comorbidities are strongly correlated with the need for hospital treatment. Over 90% of hospital admissions for covi...
Again, true of the average, which is why I've said many times that I think vaccination is good public health policy. It's not true of all cohorts. My ...
Yep. It was just an example of the difference between random selection and biased selection. In this case the bias is you looking and preferring yello...
The vaccine reduces symptomatic Covid by reducing viral load. The question is whether it does so to a greater degree than a healthy immune system's ow...
Yes. The lottery is an example of something which is random. As I said -- Why would I do that based on the prevalence? Did you not understand my expla...
Not my problem, I'm happy to retract any pay-walled citations, it doesn't affect the argument, there aren't enough vaccine shots for the world to be v...
Did I speak too quickly for you? Well then don't use one as support for an argument. The plan I was referring to was how to get the whole world vaccin...
I cited the US vaccination rates. The supply rates are changing all the time, but the figure I got was from https://www.ft.com/content/a832d5d7-4a7f-4...
As usual, I haven't the faintest idea what you're on about. I asked you to check the source of your claim. In what bizarre, Twitter-corrupted world is...
There's more than one demographic in receipt of your rhetoric. Any evidence for that, or just more of your storytelling? I asked what your plan was, n...
No problem. Yeah, amazing isn't it? I actually came out of retirement to take up a consultancy just because of all this. I couldn't miss it. A phenome...
Both. Encouraging is an intentional activity, it doesn't imply success. Like I'm 'encouraging' you to actually think... https://usafacts.org/visualiza...
Yes, there's a lot of complexities; much of the viral load is in the airway mucosa and the vaccine doesn't seem to reach there (although there's disag...
And therein lies the problem. Not everyone needs to get vaccinated and you 'encouraging' (quite vociferously, you'll grant) everyone to get it creates...
It'll give immunity to almost anyone, but some people already have some immunity, others can acquire immunity using their own antibodies without suffe...
They work by having a high chance of reducing the severity and duration of the disease to below that experienced by most adults, especially those who ...
Cool, I've never taken part in a scripted argument before, sounds intriguing. Me: They work, yes. (Exits pursued by bear) --am I allowed my own stage ...
Work at what? Like asking 'do cars work?' They get you from A to B, in general. Fine if you're at A and your dinner's at B. Useless otherwise. There's...
Yes, noted your absence - quality of conversation deteriorated. ...and so you asked. Lamentably a novelty these days. Indeed. It is, however, an excel...
Can I ask, in return, at whom do you think the pro-vaccine invective here is aimed? With the largest proportion of vaccine hesitancy among the PhD edu...
Do you mean on this whole thread or just in response to @"jorndoe"? I've written such a lot on this thread, it's hard to keep track of who I've spoken...
And for @"schopenhauer1", in case further explanation is useful. When we have an experience, like a surprise party, it causes physiological sensations...
Just to clarify before this progresses too much further, what you're describing is not Optimism Bias (as in the psychological phenomena). Optimism bia...
Yes. But people already know this, don't they? It's not as if it's some new-found complex aspect of human social behaviour. There's no interest in per...
What has knowing 'some stuff' got to do with a claim that the vaccine is harmless and the virus not? Your own citation outlines the very uncertainty I...
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