Athena

Interesting statement. That ought to stir some thinking. :up:

Whoo who is "we"? I decidedly do not want to end up in the Christian heaven. I do not want a reality where there are no risks and I have no sense of b...

Okay, it appears we have agreement. May we say our planet is as aminated as primitive people believed? Might it change our concept of reality if we th...

Thank goodness, someone who doesn't think we already know everything important, and if someone questions our understanding of reality it is not a sign...

Asking me how I think differently is like asking a person with schizophrenia how s/he thinks differently. The experience of being different is not eas...

Those believe they can know absolute truth and absolutely dangerous people. "Okay I grant you that: To have this discussion, something has to exist. T...

What we need here is quantum physics and getting past dualistic thinking.

Okay, let us go with your experience of time. Which takes longer, for you to use the bathroom or for someone else to use the bathroom? People commonly...

I am a bit horrified with that black and white thinking. "If A is false then non-A is true, so to disprove is to prove something...". Reality is not j...

I worded myself poorly. You didn't say time couldn't be known. I am saying time can not be known because we can not experience it. "An abstract concep...

"It seems that you regard human reason as a kind of intuition or feeling that derives (however imperfectly) from Reason. Through a glass darkly, so to...

Three o'clock is nothing more than an idea. If we experienced time, we would not need a clock to know it is three o'clock. There is nothing concrete a...

I spoke of time because this is in the OP By what authority do you claim time is not an abstract concept and therefore can not be known?

Ah, you bring up a good point. Not all branches of science are the same. For an engineer, it is pretty black and white. Either it works or it does not...

I like your explanation of relative knowledge. I found an explanation of it in a very old book "The Science of Logic" along with an explanation of why...

That is a nice belief but there are elites whose voice of authority weighs much more than others, and they can prevent correction just as the church o...

Just for the sake of argument, time is an abstract concept. Time is not a tangible reality. That is, it is not a thing that is perceptible by touch, t...

Pattern-chaser Both are true. Keep in mind water is essential to life and it can kill. Addiction to anything, including sugar, is harmful. An addictio...

Is there agreement that cause and effect has nothing to do with morals?

Okay, thank you for letting me know you are not interested.

Your understanding of our consciousness is very limited. I will dare to say, abstract thinking takes us far beyond the concrete and limited world we c...

Are you saying all people organize their thoughts the same way with the same fundamental thoughts, so reason should bring them to exactly same conclus...

Okay, I will go a step further into a subject I love. First, I use the word "God" because that is what interests Christians and I hope to build a brid...

I think an understanding of what you said depends on understanding the different modes of thinking. Understanding the difference between accumulating ...

I question if the general public understands that difference between concrete thinking and abstract thinking, fast thinking and slow thinking, nor bet...

Your writing is so beautiful and I regret I am out of time and energy. I what to share a couple of thoughts just to keep the momentum moving forward. ...

If the universe was not created, why does it appear to be our reality? Of course, there is the Hindu explanation that this is all a dream and when the...

Oh dear, I didn't think my thoughts were that different. :worry: Oh yes, I was banned from a science forum for speaking of god as I speak of god and i...

Okay, I am bowing out of this discussion. This is really, really sad that at this point in time, there can are people who believe the universe doesn't...

You made some excellent points. I listen to college lectures and know without question that some of our countries highly honored professors are Christ...

:hearts: I love your questions and over the years have had to answer them many times. Christians and atheist both hate me. :lol: A mod in a science fo...

That is beautiful! :hearts: That is the kind of thinking that attracts me to the forum and gives me hope for humanity. We must get back to education f...

Well, I have considered leaving the forum because of the increase in unpleasant experiences with immature and disrespectful people. I am strongly in f...

Not all reasoning is the same. People read holy books and take it on faith that the books are the best knowledge of life we can have. A few people wil...

For me, the important differences are, the way we come to know God and what we believe about humans. Both are based in Greek philosophy. The Sumerians...

I am saying the God Abraham religions are not compatible with the democracy. I am also saying it is possible to have a concept of God that is separate...

This may not be the right forum for you. Bad manners is not the meaning of freedom of speech. You aren't a monster. Just immature. I came here to shar...

Hopefully, S is young and will realize better in time. Do you have any ideas about how the mental work of abstract thinking can be made comprehensible...

My 11 year old great grandson understands arguing as an ego challenge rather than as a method to discover truth. A democracy is rule by reason, not ru...

How do you define abstract thinking? I love your argument because it led to me finding the best definition of abstract thinking I have ever seen. Now ...

You are speaking of the US, right? We have mandatory reporters. Teachers, health care workers, counselors and anyone working with people is such a way...

I often say things to prompt some thinking on what is said. If you want to argue a god is knowable that means doing some research, but the best we can...

I love your reply. Yes, I would debate the notion that it is possible to do that, and I would debate the idea that it is a good thing to do. A debate ...

In 1830 Tocqueville wrote that Christian democracies becoming a despot, a totalitarian government that would so control our lives our lives they would...

I do not think you find that in Hinduism or Buddhism? Ah, God is the authority of what and how does that work? What you said is completely incomprehen...

Okay, and how do you propose we go about researching God? I hardly think a notion of God is equal to a notion of the Loch Ness Monster. How could an a...

That appears to be the Christian hang up I hope we get past. Christians have humanized a God and that is not necessary to have a belief in a mighty an...

Why is it a contradiction to say there is a mighty and powerful force that is beyond our comprehension? We can know creation is the result of a mighty...

I do not agree at all that the concept of an abstract god is trivial. This unknowable God is essential to preventing humans from believing they are th...

I do not understand that logic. Can you explain how the difference between abstract and concrete can equal the difference between false vs. trivial? P...