Athena

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1jm-2WfTvk What I said is the US demobilized after wars, until Eisenhower and the Korean war. That is not a false sta...

Not a good point. A misunderstanding. Look, to me Pi is absolutely mystical. It seems perfectly logical to me to think math is mystical, but it does n...

I love that, if you have not read what I am saying is so about democracy, it must not be so? Is there Christianity without charity? Well, there is not...

When a democracy is no longer rule by reason, it is no longer a legitimate democracy. Education is essential to democracy and that is not education fo...

You might appreciate the book A Beginner's Guide to the Constructing the Universe- the Mathematical Archetypes of Nature, Art, and Science, by Michael...

Because it is the difference between the police state we have become or having the democracy we think we have. There are two ways to have social order...

I truly like what you said. Let us work with "Typically, this means also being physically a member of said community (with all the socio-economic obli...

We have plenty of agreement. What happened was all about the neocon agenda that included Cheney and Bush jr. and the New Century American Project with...

Who was fighting a war other than the neocons? Other than making things worse and a guilty conscience what else have we gotten out of our investment i...

:lol: That last line was said so delicately it made me laugh. I love to begin the day with a good laugh. I also love it when someone says what I am th...

That is an excellent argument. Our only disagreement at this point appears to be about the Dark Ages. However, it also goes with Islam encouraging lea...

That is a delicious question. Why single out the Christians? Because they rebelled against the law and gave us a different truth from the revealed rel...

For sure Christianity is a blend of Judaism and Hellenism. It is also a blend of Egyptian religion and Persian religion. However, that does not make C...

Maybe in the next hundred years, I will learn to think with the clarity many people here have. I love your words "objective standard or criterion avai...

Let me announce I do not know math. It is an awesome mystery to me. That said pi is about circles and it is important to the engineering of airplanes ...

That is a good one. I guess you would win that bet.

Hum, what mystical power do you have that you can make something a fact? Any of us can state a fact but how can we make one?

Oh my, as I just said about words and math, I am not sure of this metaphysical reality. It is not 3-dimensional physical reality. Pi is mind-blowing w...

Well, it was not my intention to make that point, but it seems to come out of the discussion. I have not given the subject a lot of thought before but...

Okay, Christianity is no better than Judaism or Islam and I am done with this thread if you all want to turn this thread against Muslims as though it ...

Kind of like in the US don't you think? Some states still have not ratified the Equal Rights Amendment. The Bible does say the man is to be head of ho...

Yeap, I think what you said is a fact. I think you are working really hard to have an argument. :lol: Isn't that a little uptight? Maybe the main caus...

Both Jews and Christians were abundant in his region. I think it is ridiculous to believe Muhammad got his ideas through supernatural means. To me, it...

Are you crediting Christianity for science? I really don't think so. It absolutely did not carry the logical structure for science. Aristotle gave us ...

Interesting question. If we had no mathematical symbols could we have mathematical facts?

Our brains are relatively useless without language and language without classifications would make scientific thinking impossible. In different region...

Domestic dogs and coyotes, wolves, foxes etc. are dogs, or more scientifically precise, canines. The animal's characteristics determine the biological...

I can not imagine Islam and their male domination of females consuming the West. I might even pick up a gun and fight against that as women in Afghani...

Okay, being pragmatic I will settle for evidence. So if a dog is a dog, that is not a fact? How many things can exist and not be factual?

Okay but I am pragmatic. I want empirical proof. And to me, the structure for a proof that can prove something that is totally ridiculous is true is n...

There are accounts of an outsider being accepted by a tribe. A tribe being a relatively small group of people who know each other and who is related t...

That is an excellent question. For me, it is a feeling of being one with the universe. It is having deep respect for all life and seeing our planet an...

Only if everything else is also of the spirit. If anything is not of the spirit, there is separation. We live disconnected from mother earth and our b...

That is a true statement. We can know about 600 people. That means in a city with 6000 people most of them are going to be strangers. Things get more ...

We have a spirit that is never separate from us. That spirit may be happy or sad, but it is not external like a God we can reject or who can reject us...

Your post contains so many thoughts I can not absorb them all at one time so I have attempted to file your post where it will be easy for me to find i...

Because it is not that limited. Jack Cummins presents a more universal understanding of spiritualism and social organization before the Father in Heav...

That is an excellent point. The old world order was family order and from there the position of the father and the mother really matters! Is the woman...

That is a very interesting comment. Daniel Kahneman's explanation of fast and slow thinking. Slow thinking takes a lot of energy and our brains like t...

Words are a problem and that makes logic a problem and sometimes we have to just go with the flow. I will settle for the idea that a fact is about 3-d...

I find you so amazing because although we don't really know each other, you seem to pick up on exactly what I want to talk about and say it better tha...

Thank you for drawing out the meaning I wanted this thread to have. You kind of hit a nerve by "that has no bearing on whether one will actually be ac...

Thank you for your concern but my take on this is more cultural/political. Some of the other post will bring that out. I really don't want this to be ...

Huh? Our Father who art in heaven is very Roman. Christianity is very Roman and Roman was very and materialistic. Roman was also every institutional a...

Perhaps we could look at our argument in a new way? How were European Christians educated? What was deemed important in their education?

? I think it was because of the Koran. I do not know why you feel a need to keep slamming Islam instead of the conditions that lead to human behavior....

For sure that region had been civilized for thousands of years and the Christians outside of that civilized area did not have the benefit of it. Their...

Yes, I have noticed that. I think it is done to give legal status or authorization to the government and their religion. That legitimacy is weakened b...

To be clear, that is an opinion, not a fact. And in the good old days, we called talking about others gossip. This thread has really deteriorated. I w...

This thread is not about him and it should be against the rules to derail threads by making the topic the person who made a post. If anyone wants to m...