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You created the conditions by which harm may befall them, just like the school builder in my example constructed a school that may collapse. I don't k...
July 19, 2022 at 06:45
I'm sure people will have some objections to my school-example, but intuitively it seems so.
July 19, 2022 at 06:32
I disagree. Clearly if one makes and sets the bomb to explode, they are the cause, or at least a significant part of it. It is an act. Creating childr...
July 19, 2022 at 06:26
As for inaction: as I've argued before on this thread, inaction/non-interference does not cause harm. The drowning man does not drown because I did no...
July 19, 2022 at 06:08
One has a kindergarten constructed. One knows the kindergarten isn't constructed well and will collapse at some point in the future. Can one evade res...
July 19, 2022 at 05:50
I just thought it was time to let some others share their ideas, since I had been talking way too much already and felt I was hijacking the thread. I ...
July 18, 2022 at 18:37
Finding excuses not to have to deal with the dilemma is not a very convincing way of solving it. The answer is so obvious too, which is probably why y...
July 18, 2022 at 14:13
The second comes forth from the first. The first takes precedence, but there may be situations conceivable where it is justified to impose. We're expl...
July 17, 2022 at 17:15
This is exactly the point - the inaction did not cause anything. And just because one is aware of the drowning, it doesn't make one the cause. I am su...
July 17, 2022 at 17:10
It certainly isn't acceptable by default. Perhaps in emergency situations? But even then I would argue that one is obligated to be certain (beyond a r...
July 17, 2022 at 16:37
Non-interference does not have consequences. If I see a man drowning in the ocean and for whatever reason choose not to try and save him, then his dro...
July 17, 2022 at 16:15
No, but when you say: It seems to imply some duty to pursue these things (minimizing harm to others and acting for the welfare of others), to which I ...
July 17, 2022 at 15:49
Sure. "The world" should have done as they saw fit at that particular time. A lot of your replies to me seem to assume I have all sorts of opinions ab...
July 17, 2022 at 14:58
The search for truth and wisdom, I suppose. With inaction I mean non-interference. So the choice would be not to do anything about a given situation.
July 17, 2022 at 14:47
My chief concern was never the minimizing of harm to others (besides that which might be caused by myself), or the welfare of others. I see those as n...
July 17, 2022 at 14:15
No. I don't advocate anything, nor am I in the business of solving the world's problems.
July 17, 2022 at 14:10
None of those things. I'm quite happy. But I'm also aware of the misery that exists. My concern is specifically with the morality of the act of imposi...
July 17, 2022 at 14:05
I hope you understand that the harm that befalls people isn't always limited to "some bad", and not always followed up with good to enjoy. :roll:
July 17, 2022 at 13:37
Let's suppose for a moment that there is a person, A, who out of the goodness of their heart makes it their business to interfere in the lives of othe...
July 17, 2022 at 13:23
Because causing harm to others is bad. This is turning into a silly game. Please get to a point.
July 17, 2022 at 13:11
Because if one chooses to interfere in the affairs of others, one should be certain their actions don't cause irreversible harm.
July 17, 2022 at 11:42
When it comes to the well-being of others, to take only those actions the outcomes of which we can predict with great accuracy.
July 17, 2022 at 08:35
Why would that require omniscience? You're saying for one's intention to match the outcome it requires omniscience? Perhaps. It seems to me that talki...
July 17, 2022 at 08:25
Why not? While I would argue ignorance is relevant to one's capacity to bring about intended outcomes, I would agree it is a "neutral" factor. However...
July 17, 2022 at 08:13
Not necessarily. I can ask the same question even if the odds were, say, 10:1. A gamble with good odds is still a gamble. The question is whether in t...
July 17, 2022 at 08:04
Which is precisely the issue. It is largely out of the control of the parents who make the decision, which seems to me a shaky basis upon which to mak...
July 17, 2022 at 07:44
I agree with this line of thought. And if one's goal is to do good onto others, one should be humble and seek to do so in ways that are within one's c...
July 17, 2022 at 07:36
The well-being of the person is unknown prior to the unfoldment of their life. Getting the ball rolling is ultimately the parents' choice and no one e...
July 17, 2022 at 07:25
How much influence can a parent be said to have on the consequence of their actions in regards to the well-being of their child? Even the best-equippe...
July 17, 2022 at 07:09
Typical cop-out. :snicker:
July 17, 2022 at 07:02
Given how confidently this argument is parroted on every antinatalism thread, I was expecting you to have something to say in its defense. This is jus...
July 17, 2022 at 06:57
What have you to say for the group of people who are genuinely miserable as a result of their parents' choices, and for whom it can be said their pare...
July 17, 2022 at 06:39
That's not very hard to refute. Let's say I plant a timebomb in the ground in a place where I know a town will flourish two-hundred years from now. Wh...
July 17, 2022 at 06:20
This really is the core of the problem, and in my opinion it is an open and shut case. The usual route people take to solve it is by arguing that the ...
July 16, 2022 at 19:18
Realism is a tool for understanding international politics. What one does with that understanding is up to them. To say a realist does not have any va...
July 15, 2022 at 17:26
I am concerned with how states act and why they act that way. I'm no policymaker. If you want my non-realist opinion: states are run by crooks. Period...
July 15, 2022 at 14:16
As a realist I'll say that that's exactly what they'll do. (Note: there is no "should" in there) And lowe and behold, you just summed up United States...
July 15, 2022 at 12:30
I don't need to try, since the realist - idealist split has been something that has characterized international politics for a long time and are conce...
July 15, 2022 at 12:00
No, given the geopolitical context in which trouble in Ukraine and Crimea started, which goes back to at least 2008, the fault is predominantly with t...
July 15, 2022 at 11:01
No, of course not. But my moral judgement is irrelevant. I have no opinion on what the Ukrainians should do. The United States and Europe could have d...
July 15, 2022 at 10:47
What a joke that you of all people should say that. I'm not making it personal. I'm calling apples apples. In this thread we are debating on Ukraine a...
July 15, 2022 at 10:11
That's the essence of the idealist approach to international politics. When states that we shouldn't negotiate with terrorists, on behalf of whose ide...
July 15, 2022 at 09:48
Sorry, I mistook your yappy dog syndrome for the false idea you had something to say.
July 15, 2022 at 07:58
Ok then, no negotiations. "We" are going to "beat the Russians", and who do you suppose is going to make that sacrifice to uphold your ideals? I'm gue...
July 15, 2022 at 07:49
You are not everyone, nor do you have any influence on everyone. Doubtful. Why do so many fanatical sports fans get so mad when their team loses? Beca...
July 11, 2022 at 20:45
Yes. You objectively have no rational stake in the survival of the human race. It will survive with you, or without you, and none of us will be around...
July 11, 2022 at 20:11
No. If for whatever reason it could be accertained beforehand that a pregnancy would result in a child with deficiences (because of incest for example...
July 11, 2022 at 17:59
That apparently even by your own estimation we're only talking about a relatively small number of people making voluntary decisions, does little to ex...
July 11, 2022 at 17:38
Someone is clearly being forced. Whether it's against their will is unknowable. So I don't know how you can say that is "indisputable". I'm disputing ...
July 11, 2022 at 16:18
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July 11, 2022 at 15:52