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I believe the misunderstanding is yours sir. Look a little deeper into it. He actually believes its lizard people, aliens. Nothing figurative about it...

That sounds more like error than conspiracy. There are conventions and orthodoxies in all human institutions, including scientific academia. Calling i...

I chose those three to specifically deny that counter argument. They were not legal. They involved lying to the public and to other branches of govern...

In what way?

Gulf of Tonkin, Project MK Ultra, Tuskegee Syphillis study…its actually not that hard to find them if you actually look. Those three in particular inv...

Well there will be times when social stability and morality/ethics come into conflict. This isnt mutually exclusive to the point you're making. So the...

No, I didnt mean to imply ethical above practical. Indeed, my view is that ethics are merely one of many priorities people have. When these priorities...

Sorry I wasnt clear. I was stating your stance not offering my own when I said “as punishment, ethical, as deterrent unethical.”. What I meant was I m...

Well if you havent read his interactions with others I can assure you it is a complete waste of time engaging with Bart. Dont take my word for it, rev...

As punishment, unethical. As a deterrent, ethical. They seem to have the same ethical standing to me, how have you made this distinction? I can tell y...

Ok I see. I just can’t agree with torture being so broadly applied. The threat of gruesome death as torture? We have to have a higher bar than that.

Im still unclear. By that definition of torture, spanking a child is torture…is that the kind of thing you wish to include? What kind of inflicted pai...

Did they? Where in the “civilized world” did they do away with torture as described in the OP? Even in the US the things you quoted aren’t everywhere,...

You gotta stop feeding the Bart, it only encourages him. Don’t be his chump.

Interesting, do you think torture as punishment would be unethical, but the other two reasons for torture ethical? Can you expand on torture as a publ...

I don’t think torture is unethical as it gets, and certainly not because it violates sanctity of life. I do not believe life is sacred, although maybe...

Lol, well Ill give you credit for trying but no Tim Wood I don’t do much tar baby grabbing myself. My comments purpose was to try and get you to stop ...

Thrice the fool Bartricks is, once because you are indeed a great fool, twice the fool for engaging with Bartricks and thrice the fool for doing so re...

Amen :up:

I go back and forth on it. Its clear that there are significant portions of people who make people like Trump dangerous by listening and accepting wha...

Sure, but specifically to your comment about depriving Trump voters a voice I wondered whether you thought Trump should be deprived of his voice? Or w...

Im curious, do you think Trump should have been banned on twitter like he was?

Because it is subjective, there is no fact of the matter that applies to everyone.

The pain example makes the exact same mistake. That is not a like example. A like example would be asking about how much pain. Whether she is in pain ...

Ok, so my point was that those two examples are not analogous. The first references facts, part of which is what “boyfriend” means by definition. The ...

Lets make sure Im not confused about what youre saying first. For ease of reference, P1 = “recognition of a good life is necessary for a good life” Fi...

Well I asked for your case for recognition of life being good required for a good life and you responded with your Stacey scenarios which I pointed ou...

These two statements are not analogous. The first is a statement about objective facts, the second you intended to to be statement about Staceys belie...

“Life IS pain your highness, and anyone who tells you different is selling something” Selling something like Elfism for example. :wink:

So do you have a good argument as to this expressive/descriptive distinction? It seems fairly obvious that a good life doesnt entail recognition of it...

:lol: :lol: …. :lol: Hysterical :rofl: Like perfectly hysterical, from your delivery to my out loud laughter. Look out everyone we’re all going to jai...

Its strange for you to drop an OP and then act like a smug prick to everyone who responds. Get humble, your OP is not the rock solid argument you seem...

42?

I didn’t shout, I did my best to explain. It just doesnt seem like the counterpoints are registering to you, maybe Ive not made them well enough. Anyw...

Its not an admission of anything, I was anticipating your counter argument which you just repeated instead of addressing my pre-emptive point. Then yo...

Peoples ideas about whats good or bad about life and which ones are worthwhile tradeoffs. Thats going to vary greatly from person to person. Even if w...

I think this is just what I said: exalting the negative, focusing only on the negative. How would you even begin measuring these things? They are comp...

Your argument works equally well to establish the exact opposite of Elfism just by replacing two negative descriptors with positive descriptors. Its a...

I know. Premise 1 is vague, and that vagueness is what the rest of your argument depends on. Thats my point, this is an ambiguity fallacy that you are...

The ability to communicate and ideas.

Premise 1 here is too vague for a first premise, it allows too much wriggle room for your other premises to make a really effective argument. I think ...

Dont be intimidated by the philosophical masterbations of those types of threads. Its not a sign of high IQ but rather knowledge/education. People who...

You didnt debate it in the first place, you preached it. Also I didnt do any if those things, i asked a bunch of questions to better understand your p...

…so you aren’t interested in answering any questions, responding to any points or even providing counterpoints of your own? This is a discussion forum...

Ok, we have different ideas about what those words mean. I take random to mean having no reason fir a particular outcome other than chance. Arbitrary ...

That sounds like the soul is the merger of the soul and the body/matter, but thats a stretch of coherency. What is this thing that merges with the bod...

Do you believe in a soul Gregory?

A fair point, but not a rebuttal to to my statement. Is your argument that because it takes time that we should just throw the “johns” under the bus? ...

Why can’t you do both though? It seems like a bad idea to let criminals dictate policy. Like, “Whoa whoa whoa fella. We can’t make that legal cuz the ...

Sure here are wider repercussions, but the correct answer isnt to make prostitution illegal, its to crack down on the criminal enterprise of human tra...