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It's not anything like mental content when unconscious. Hence there isn't unconscious mental content. Mental content is phenomena such as thoughts, de...

You can suddenly have a memory. There is nothing like a memory, with the same qualities that you're aware of when you're aware of a memory, that's pre...

I asked a question about the scenario as you presented it and asked for the justification for characterizing it that way.

??? What gives you that impression exactly? The bit you're quoting? That's a characterization of the belief that I'm saying has no justification.

An appropriately crank-like response. ;-)

So why would it be noteworthy that people you're making up share the model you're making up? It's more curious that some people you're making up--like...

A high percentage of new members who actually post something seem to be cranks. Most of the long-term regulars can be really dickish and annoying, exa...

Your "interlocutors" are part of your model, no?

I'm getting at the fact that Isaac believes that things like primates and qualities they have are a mental model of his own devising. If he's going to...

"Sacred" is usually a religious idea. If you think that anything is sacred, you believe that a god exists. So someone who thinks that life is sacred (...

You mean that you have a model where there are non-linguistic primates and they have a sense of fairness, but it's strictly something you've construct...

What would be the reason to believe that prior to it "blipping into your consciousness," it exists as the memory--with just the same qualities it has ...

The irony here is amusing.

So then why, when I said, "I don't buy unconscious mental content, by the way," did you quote that and start responding to it instead of arguing about...

So is the reason you accept it just because many people accept it?

I don't know what's difficult to understand about me asking YOU what YOU accept as plausible evidence of unconscious mental content, but apparently it...

So if you don't actually know any empirical support for it that you accept, it's probably worth examining why you believe in it so firmly.

Yeah, definitely. You know I'm against any speech laws.

Yeah, I agree with this. At that, I don't have any problem with the idea of someone being transgender, but I have no problem with the idea of someone ...

Are you going to tell me what you accept as plausible evidence of unconscious mental content?

Which again is a claim that I don't at all agree with. I said that from the start. What do you accept as plausible evidence of it?

Different people will have different assessments about that. ¯\_(?)_/¯

I wasn't asking you to rephrase your claim. I was asking you to justify it epistemically.

Democrats need to worry about running someone who can beat Trump, and they should have more or less have figured this out by now, as the election is o...

I don't hold everyone to the same standards, no. I adjust my expectations and assessments based on capabilities, history, context and so on.

And the way you know that is? Right, so when I say there's no set criteria for it, really, that's what I mean. So no. And I don't necessarily show kin...

Um, you asked me what kind of kindess I value. There's not really any set criteria for the kindness I value. On what grounds can you say that it's not...

There's not some set of criteria for it, really. It's just whatever I feel is warranted.

Not to the extent that one thinks that it involves catering to something just because someone wants you to, no.

I don't agree with the theory of forms, but there's a simple reason that the third man argument doesn't work: the property of "good" is itself good, o...

For example: " Something can explain the goodness of a particular thing if and only if the thing explaining the goodness has an understanding of "the ...

Probably most people would put it in their garden, or on a shelf or something like that. (I'm not sure what we're getting at here.)

I'm stumped why you're talking about explaining and understanding in the context of the theory of forms and the third man argument.

What about that? So, say, for example, that one sees a rock that one is really attracted to--say something like a rock of pink granite, so one picks i...

Necessary in the sense that it doesn't make sense to say that there's something with no properties/characteristics. And observing those doesn't imply ...

No, they're not. "Compares to the effect they have on him"? What would that even mean?

Not "like" as a comparison. "Like" as in characteristics/properties/qualities.

You're not talking about empirical data. You don't believe you have access to empirical data. You're talking about a model that you constructed (just ...

I don't really understand "makes explicit I wish to know of." Observation shows you what things are like, properties they have, patterns that occur, e...

As when deciding to go with "minimizing variance" for a metric.

Yes. Observe it.

Whether that's the case or not (that it's really minimizing variance with respect to other models), it would be arbitrary that you're going with "mini...

Not that I can think of offhand. I don't know you that well yet. I'm thinking of other people I've interacted with a lot here. I gave an example earli...

Also, if you're going to go back to the "everything is a model" lie then again, we'd need to explain why you went with one model over the other. You d...

It's not a matter of that. It's a matter of people claiming silly things that they don't actually believe.

There's absolutely no grounds on that for calling something an illusion, though. It's completely arbitrary (and ridiculous, and not something that you...

This was the part I was talking about: "The notion of optical illusions is incoherent if we don't know what's really there contra the illusion." "The ...

No, the changes that are happening from some frame of reference are not an abstraction. I don't know why you think I'm forwarding an argument. I'm sim...

That mathematical view of time is just an abstraction. Time is simply motion or change. T1 is the changes or motion that are/is happening from some fr...

Again, for me, most things are perfect, and when I think they're not, I tend to think that I need to adjust my ideas. I'm not someone who usually care...