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Which has what to do with what, exactly? Are you being thrown off by the fact that I said "For example, loud sounds can cause hearing damage"?

Well, and I'm glad your reading abilities are such that you saw that I was saying that they're just the same.

What did I say I'd base mine on--time of day and intensities, right? And I wrote that at least five or six times now. Just to clarify here, you'd made...

I just didn't want to get into writing long posts back and forth where an increasing amount of different issues have to be addressed each round. I don...

Again, all laws are arbitrary (that is, the basis for the laws). I just said this. There's no way to avoid that. And again, something else I just said...

I'm fine with you being wrong. Obviously being on both sides of this many times is not something I can show you. Re codes, I can search, but this, for...

The reason I said something about arbitrariness earlier was because people were forwarding arbitrary stuff as if it was a fact, as if it could be corr...

Oh--I had no idea of the context for a moment. Your posts being long. Yeah, that's definitely a subjective assessment. I'm not proposing legislation a...

That's fine, but you're wrong. I've been on both sides of police being called about this sort of stuff lots of times. (And in many different locales.)

You can't avoid arbitrary for this stuff. There are no facts re normatives.

What? Long?

Not that my law about this would even be based on not being able to sleep, however. It's would be defined purely in terms of objective properties--sou...

Not being able to stay asleep isn't subjective, for example. It's clearly, objectively observable. As I've said already umpteen times already, the leg...

I didn't see S saying this, but okay, he can be that (playing along that he'd be serious). Obviously different people would institute different laws i...

In the niche where we don't ban people for endorsing minor speech restrictions, etc. Its just like you can say whatever you like about gassing Jews or...

I don't know why your posts are getting so long. Basically, I'd never decide this stuff on subjective reactions. No matter how much you flip out about...

Okay, whereas I wouldn't hinge anything merely on whether someone is "having an unpleasant experience" because arbitrary people can have an unpleasant...

"Fact" and "truth" aren't the same thing in my usage. So objective facts don't imply anything about objectivity for truth.

But what does that have to do with the fact that I'd legislate persistent sensory stimuli of a certain intensity etc.? Are you just telling me what yo...

I obviously wouldn't make legislation based on any arbitrary thing bothering any arbitrary individual. That's what you seem to be arguing for. I alrea...

So would you make legislation based on any arbitrary thing bothering some individual?

You worrying is not some outside, persistent physical stimulus, is it?

Okay . . .?

Worrying is different than a stimulus like sound keeping you awake.

It can cause you to not be able to sleep. That's not very controversial.

If the speech is loud and persistent enough at night that you can't sleep, I have no problem with enforcing that it stop. Whatever the content of the ...

I just wrote the same thing. The mere fact that you don't like a sound isn't sufficient.

The ordinances we have in the U.S. don't enable simply saying that something is disturbing you (in either common sense of that term), so that the poli...

For things like "should hate speech be banned," it's not even as if there's a correct answer in the first place.

Maybe you wouldn't be, but it would seem odd to me to post on a board like this in that case. That's what you're going to get here. The views of a rel...

Sure I do. Surprisingly it has nothing to do with popular opinion or your brain. So how do we know that people are often right, then? That's what I ha...

And the question is how we know this. Just asserting it doesn't tell us how we know it.

Here's another "So:" So what's right is what then, where you'd say that has something to do with "My views are often way, way, out in left field compa...

Abilities do not need positive survival value to be selected for. It's just that abilities that have negative survival value are selected against.

I'd go with B. The people in A might turn out to be nagging antinatalists. The other 100 might be able to drown them out. :grin:

It was a question. So then if no, you'd say "No." What's right is what then, where you'd say that has something to do with "My views are often way, wa...

Working brain isn't defined by reasoning that you have the right answer, is it?

So what's right is what's statistically normal?

In other words, how do we know you have the right answer?

How do we figure out whether it's my brain or yours that has something wrong with it?

So this is something we can't look up then. My brain is telling me that relevance/irrelevance is not a(n objective) fact.

Where on the Internet do we look up information about relevance as a fact?

You're not suggesting that whether something is relevant is a fact, are you?

Yeah, I'm aware that in your view it's irrelevant.

I wonder if there's anything we can't look up on the Internet now. We probably don't need to do philosophy any longer. We can just look up anything we...

Sure. Everything is relevant to some things to some people, and irrelevant to some things to some people.

With the way this conversation is going, imagine if we'd had a discussion on something that people really get emotional about, like age of consent. Al...

Oh, that was easy. That solves the issue. I should have thought of that.

If enough people have a different opinion, then in terms of what's practically the case re laws, etc., they can institute something I don't agree with...

You don't post as if you're interested in my views per se. If you were interested in my views per se, you'd post as Coben does--in a friendly manner, ...