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Say what? Did any of that tell me what non-human aboutness is supposed to be?

It seems to me that they're facts about judgments the speaker is making. It's a fact that the speaker has made a judgment that he/she likes anchovies....

Here are a couple examples of like/dislike being used as a judgment by the way: http://psycnet.apa.org/record/1976-12272-001 https://books.google.com/...

Sure, so help me out. "I like" seems like an estimation of the quality or worth of something. "I like" versus "I dislike" seems to be a judgment.

What the heck would non-human aboutness be?

So if liking something isn't a judgment about it in your view, I have to wonder what the heck definition you're using of "judgment," and re something ...

You quoted me writing this: You gave examples instead. So I then wrote: Okay, so "subjective" only refers to "opinions" in your view. And "I like anch...

And what that's about is not determined by how people think of it, in your view?

What would be an example of that?

I read all of that and I haven't the faintest idea what any of the alternate senses of "exist" are that you might be proposing.

What you quoted from me is my answer. Again: "the healthy state of being is whatever you're satisfied/comfortable with and whatever allows you to go a...

Did you notice above where I asked "how about giving a definition" of subjective/objective? We can move on to other things (like what opinions are) af...

The problem with that is that there isn't actually any such logical entailment. That's only the case if you assume that the physical make-up is identi...

Which is the "complete" idea, but that idea is nonsense in my view. We don't even have to get into the fact that the idea of "everything about x" is n...

There are clear lines between the two in my usage, but the terms don't really matter anyway--it's just a convenient way of making a particular distinc...

How about giving a definition rather than an example?

Definitions are synonyms. Whether synonymous words or synonymous phrases/sentences. How about addressing the question I asked you, though?

It's not at all clear to me re those examples that anyone would be using "exist" in some different way. You'd have to explain the different ways that ...

As I said, Chalmers wouldn't agree with my (b). The problem is that to physicalists, mentality is a physical property, as obvious to us as the slipper...

I'm using the word "subjective" to refer to the standard designation, where it's referring to mental phenomena, or mind-dependent phenomena. Yes, thos...

That you think that is why you're having a difficult time learning something you need to learn. The lack of understanding is yours, not mine.

What do you see as controversial about it? In other words, what do you see as the confusion?

Ah--no problem. I thought you were saying you saw it as a logical (or at least metaphysical) necessity.

I don't think that's anything complicated. Exists=obtains, occurs, is instantiated, etc.--whatever synonym we want to use.

Sure, it's a given that we disagree on whether it's worth continuing. I think it's worth teaching someone that there is no such thing as objective val...

Above, you seem to be saying that it's a contingent matter whether someone's metaphysics can depart from physics. But that's not the same as saying "A...

If it's objective, it's not something that I'm doing. It has to be something the object themselves are doing. It's a property of the objects themselve...

It's not that I don't understand it. It's that you're wrong. And I'll keep trying to explain to you why you're wrong until you understand it. It's not...

"Those folks are engaged in practices" "What sort of practices?" "Gardening practices" --you just described something.

"Gardening practices" isn't a description of something?

I'm not "acting that way." It's not objectively good. It's not objectively better to see what you're hitting than to not see it, for example. That's r...

For sure. The dogs are goners. ;-)

For me it just depends on the exact scenario/the exact info I have. Re the quiz on the website: (1) Same dead either way. So it doesn't matter. May as...

In my opinion, that IS the issue. It's not tangential. And it's not just a terminological issue. It's an issue about the sorts of things that exist.

Basically, what I'm referring to are the spatial locations of things. In terms of spatial locations, "intersubjective" is just gobbledygook.

You're saying that the hammer is objectively better than the dead fish for nails. In order for it to be objectively better for that, the better determ...

The way I use the terms is simply that "subjective" is mind-dependent, or in other words, we're talking about mental phenomena when we talk about the ...

How could an opinion itself, in the relevant sense, be "ill-informed"? We're not talking about information that's not itself an opinion, we're talking...

So the real issue, which isn't simply a terminological issue, is whether memories always exist just like they do when you're aware of them, you simply...

I just wanted you to say where you thought it was located, wherever it happens to be. "In its attributes"--"x is better than y" IS an attribute, right...

Oops I meant to type "that physics has things wrong" . . . not a big deal, though. I'm just a typo king. ;-)

Are your reactions mental phenomena? "I like anchovies" isn't about a mental phenomenon?

I actually don't agree with that, by the way. Extension is an objective relation. Calling it an "inch" isn't objective, of course. At any rate, extens...

Justifications are something that we do as individual persons. Different people think that different things count as justifications. No one thinks tha...

"In its utility"? What sort of location is that? I'm asking you where as in a spatial location.

Why would it have to be compatible with "the best theories of physics"? A philosopher could think the physics has things wrong.

Let's try it this way. The objective "better" in the above is a property of what? That is, where is the property ( "This is better than that") found?

The reason it's a fair analogy is that we're saying that: (a) The physical make-up of x is exactly the same and yet (b) The properties of physical stu...

Re mental health, the healthy state of being is whatever you're satisfied/comfortable with and whatever allows you to go about your daily business, so...

I'm not fond of "power relation" talk, because both (a) "power" almost never seems well-defined in power relation talk, and (b) the analysis of the co...