ChatteringMonkey

I think Hume said something along the lines of, "they differ in intention".... and I think I can agree with that. Dreams, illusion etc don't seem to b...

I think that could be a fine conclusion... Start with this question, what is the value of obedience and duty? Why would it be a good thing to begin wi...

Ok fine, I suppose we were talking past eachother then. Don't you think it is strange though to view those two as seperate from eachother? I do think ...

The "Greeks' concept of morality" is the morality as lived by the Greeks, right? What else would it be? And myths, like those of Homer, are historical...

Wider conceptually, like the concept 'fruit' is a wider concept than 'apple'.... it includes more things. Sure Plato was Greek and so what he produced...

I don't know what civic virtue or modern revolutionary morality you are referring to? Again, I'm not saying that virtue can have no eye for the collec...

Yeah sure, I'll try to articulate my view on it... but virtue is a term used for a whole host of different things historically, so it's not that easy ...

Taking good care of yourself? Virtue is more concerned with generally building a good moral character, and so seems to apply even to acts where other ...

A war of all against all seems worse than a war against a single ruler? And I think that the idea was that the social contract would adres some of tha...

Yeah, I guess that how it usually goes in democracies. First something really bad needs to happen before an issue is taken seriously and policy measur...

I again agee for the most part, certainly in the west there should be no question that the authoritarian argument is a weak one, but if you live in Sy...

I do not really want to argue the point, because I think ultimately you are probably more right than wrong.... but that data don't really 'proof' that...

Thank you for deeming it worthy your time to actually argue the point! And I mostly agree with you, the economy should be there in the service of the ...

So you think that in no circumstance when deciding policy, human live can be measured against other values? There was a point to the example. If it ca...

More berating remarks, great! I'm not faffing around the point. It's a decision every government across the globe will have to make in the coming mont...

Nah, I'm not objectively wrong, I know I'm not. Because there is no complete control. Or at least the definition of complete controle is under discuss...

Yeah it really is unprecedented. In the short term lots of testing is going to be vital, so we don't need to keep flying blind. And in the mid to long...

Is all this hyperbolic disdain really necessary? If all you did was write a critique of this economy, then you are the one answering besides the point...

This seems like a odd line of reasoning. 'This economy' is the one we have after all, meaning that insofar an economy serves a function in society, it...

I agree, I don't think you can love other people if you don't love yourself somewhat. The way you treat yourself, the relation with yourself, tends to...

He means what he says really. It's an application of his basic psychology he builds his philosophy on. He sees man, the will, as a bundle of instincts...

The difference is that you have a reliable point of reference in the case of physical sciences that's not there for morality. It's not only that those...

I know you are not really interested in discussing the content of the arguments here, but it seems like it is worth mentioning anyway.... There are ot...

Yeah I'm not sure, It seems to me like you could have a desire for to see your friends, without the inverse being true. Unless you see it a mere tauto...

Could the feeling of need for company not be something that stands on it's own? Like something that is basic and directly hardwired? I'm just trying t...

I mean yeah, they seem tautologous then.... in the sense that you are using other words to describe the same thing.

Yeah ok I initially thought you meant being content with yourself, rather than being content to be alone with yourselves. I suppose you are right that...

You but human psychology is not necessarily logical. You can be content to be with yourself and feel the need to seek out company I think. I don't thi...

I don't think I get what you are trying to get at. Being alone with oneself doesn't seem like a feeling to me, just a description of what is. I think ...

No, I think for me at least if I feel lonely, it's more a out of a lack of real connection with other people. You can feel lonely in a group of people...

There are physical theories that try to explain this, it has something to do with quantum fluctuations and particles and anti-particles that cancel ea...

I very much agree with Coben. Subjectivity is not a pejorative in my book. I also feel like objectivity is often invoked more as a rhetorical tool tha...

No I agree it isn't a helpful distinction. But I don't agree it's the same as the charge of a particle. It's a fact that we think yes, but what we thi...

The question is what will you do in the meantime, while waiting for a properly decentralized authority? It could take a while...

Thank you! Yes we allways have to start from something subjective no matter how you slice it. And I don't even think it really works like that, simply...

Mind dependant or mind independent is how the distinction is typically used. There is convergence in what people want. But what people want isn't mora...

No it doesn't. Even if every person where to think exactly the same about morality that wouldn't make morality objective. It's an objective fact that ...

I was being intentionally obtuse, but there was a point to it... Words never have a compulsory force by themselves, right. Only if you manage to convi...

I'll read it tomorrow, I have to get some sleep now.

There is no 'correct' process. How would you determine if it's correct or not? If freedom of speech is a right in California, then you have the right ...

Individual people disagreeing is not the whole story though. People do disagree, all the time, but if they want to be part of a moral community they h...

I don't think it really matters if the universe was created or not, not to us humans anyway... It would only be relevant if that would also imply that...

Causing suffering is not the same as doing harm I'd say. And I wouldn't necessarily agree with feeling good or bad as the measure for morality. Harm i...

Sure, you can call it meta-ethical moral relativism if you want. That's not relativism on a non-meta level though, if you are part of one of those com...

You're right, I did think hedonic experience was something else, more along the lines of wants or desire-satisfaction... But then I would disagree for...

I haven't really read much of the logical positivist, but weren't they saying that moral claims are meaningless, not just that truth doesn't apply to ...

Although an atheist, I don't think Alex Rosenberg is entirely up my ally, I think he's too reductionist.

I could understand that you don't ellaborate on the difference for brevity sake. But I think it's an important difference, as I try to get into my thr...

I think I understand what your views are from reading the text, but the reasons why you hold them aren't very clear to me. Or maybe it's more that I d...

Sure it's a fragile superiority, born out of feeling inferior to a large part of the rest of society (and being treated as such). The place in the hie...