Pattern-chaser

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What is "imposed"? :chin:

Or perhaps the "deep truth" is that the actual event that results in a push is unpredictable, just as the moment when the ball starts moving is unpred...

:scream: :rofl: I saw no reasons, only assertions and questions. I cannot prove what I'm saying. That sort of goes with the whole uncertainty thing. B...

All I know is that, for me*, there is no certainty (worthy of the name) in the real world. So I don't pretend, to myself or to others, that I know any...

As you wish. <shrug>

No, just a fact of real-world, human, life. It's just honesty to/with ourselves. Nothing more than that. :up:

Don't we all! :up: But there is no such thing in the real world, I don't think. Objectivism, and the certainty that comes with it, is an intellectual ...

No, it won't. But it will be able to act nonetheless. :up: :smile:

Personally, I have never seen a problem or a conflict between the two. To me, they are complementary. I know that others, who look at things different...

Humans did. Humans without the means or equipment to access Objective Reality directly. For humans there is no objectivity, in practical terms. There ...

You would have indirect access, which is what we humans have to 'Objective Reality' anyway. This is why subject/object stuff gets so difficult. Our ac...

Isn't that just a description of hard Objectivity? Objective Reality is that which is, in my mind. But then we end up derailing this thread into the e...

Yes, that's sort of how it is. :up: Axioms are guesses, so we should not use them to justify our arguments here. And there's nothing else, assuming yo...

I think this might prove, er, challenging. :wink: The point is that "axiom" is another word for "guess" or "assumption". And axioms are the worst sort...

Messiah? :lol:

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Just as a haiku is limited to 17 syllables. It concentrates the mind. :wink: :up:

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Please, this is not fair. Just like teachers, sports coaches and (school) bus drivers, the clerical profession is infiltrated by paedophiles when they...

So it does. Science-types say this sort of thing a lot. But contain your outrage for a moment and think. Yes, if your aim is formal and rigid structur...

If you subscribe to logic, and a logical viewpoint, then you don't just dismiss things without a logical reason.

:up: Clarity is next to Godliness, as the old proverb should say. :wink: If Lord Cthulhu grants me another 20 years, I'll still be at it too. :smile:

I'm in agreement with your general observations. :up: In fact, they don't go quite far enough. I think, with Objectivity being what it is, that more o...

Yes, I can't disagree with what you say. But I don't think it invalidates - or even opposes - what I said. If an atheist actively asserts the non-exis...

Then it would be my opinion that you, and the atheists you describe, do not hold a faith position. :up: Although I am just a little confused: the way ...

Please, before you go any farther, will you clarify: Do the atheists you describe actively assert the non-existence of God? The answer to this questio...

:smile: Oh, thank you for that! :smile: :up:

:smile: I call Her Schrodinger's God ... and I worship Her too. :up: :wink:

Yes, I thought that's what I said. :smile: :up: I would rather consider the specific circumstance, but yes, I would have difficulty with a definition ...

Oh, it's a joy, in this day and age, to meet a man who truly respects the old traditions. :up: :smile: Do they? I was raised by cultists Roman Catholi...

Thanks for putting this so clearly. :up: :smile:

Zen is about as close as you'll get with this. There's too much nonconscious stuff going on as we perceive reality for us to set it all aside. We cann...

This is, or should be, what this thread's about. Religion is a spiritual matter. It has a sort of spiritual logic, although I shouldn't call it that. ...

I'm sorry, but I haven't followed every word you've written here. :blush: You have a metaphysics that doesn't have or need assumptions? What is this m...

In fairness, they're often hidden, disguised as "axioms", when they are just assumptions; guesswork. Worse, we base further reasoning on these axioms,...

Me too. I see no significant difference between the two. :chin:

Agreed, but discussions such as we are having here inevitably converge on claims of God's existence. It's a shame. :confused: What point are you makin...

Bloody Hell! :rofl:

No? It looks to me as though that's exactly what you have argued. I'm sorry if I have misunderstood your position. It seems so clear.... :chin:

So you offer the possibility that the conscious mind has been unknowingly detected, more or less by coincidence, and this is your answer to why physic...

:smile: I acknowledge that the realisation and recognition of our ignorance is a gift. But ignorance itself? I'm not sure about that. In what way, oth...

Well, you argue... ...that absence of evidence is evidence of absence, so I'll stick with my conclusion for now. Your position lacks rigour, and more ...

If that satisfies, you, go with it. Personally, I find your position lacks rigour.

Haven't we been doing this for a while? Those proverbs that tell how the wiser someone is, the less they claim to know, reflect this, I think. Those o...

An atheist who finds the concept of God impossible to believe, and who gets on with their life without giving God another thought: that person is not ...

I realise that. But the arguments you present concerning the soul also seem to apply to the conscious mind. Physicists can't find them either. :chin: ...

Yes, those links are of exactly the same strength as each other. :up:

But, given the lack of evidence, which you cite in the same post, it must be the case that "most people do not believe in God through either faith or ...

The simple answer is that I don't know. But I offer the observation that what you say about the soul could easily be said of the conscious mind. It al...