Glad you demonstrated to be able to make the differenciation needed here, I tried to point out to Banno. Thank you for substanciating my position. "an...
You seem to be non specific regarding build-in meaning and assigned meaning. In case of the tree rings, they may not have a build-in meaning, but they...
It's the kind of meaning I was referring to. I'd say that we can't sensibly start going into a philosophical discussion without those being clear. Whe...
To measure the wall in your example, one could use a measuring device. However a skilled painter can do it without, just by looking at the surface and...
iq is a rather abstract concept, what were you expecting? All scientific findings should be questioned, it's called scrutiny. When it comes to science...
It would depend on the skill. When getting skilled in archery for example, you look at the target. Once you are a skilled archer, you still have to lo...
Recognizing something using your eyes includes measuring, once you can recognize the s with your eyes closed you don't need to measure it any more. If...
Very well, here is an example, the precision of an iq test has the 95% reliability interval at measured iq + or - 15 iq points. 15 iq points is also t...
Nice strawman. You missed the point. The point being is that you can measure body lenght, or body weight, but just the measuring result in meters or k...
As an improvement of what I considered to be a joke you stated: I merely attempted to point out the difference between questioning something, and dism...
Alas there is evidence that this is the case. I assume we don't disagree on the deviation. But since there are several tests for iq, we have a certain...
wich claim I made are you referring to? At best you could make a case that I didn't present the data, you are merely assuming I don't have it since I ...
That is what we call muscle memory, wich is separate from what we attempt to measure in iq tests. The measuring is only required when training muscle ...
Nonsense, in order to consider something to be adequate, you will have to state your reference. Adequate for what? I don't recall mentioning the word ...
You are probably right on this part, however, that doesn't mean it's an indication of my level of understanding statistics. More likely it's just a tr...
My main point wasn't even we should get them in advance, though I agree in this medium it can be usefull, especially for disambiguous words used. My p...
Nonsense, if as you stated following it's logical conclusion, you'd have to admitt that to humans for who the age of a tree is relevant and know about...
On this we seem to be in agreement. My frustration that caused me to start this OP, was that I didn't get the definitions when I asked for them on sev...
No, I'm saying that I need to know the definition the OP apllies in his/her statements in order to understand his/her statement, wich is required to d...
I don't know, I'm not sure what you are referring to. My point about providing definitions, especially on an international accessable forum, is that I...
I stated none of the sort. On the contrary, I think iq tests have been designed very carefully. I just think that the complexity of something as intel...
Next to intelligence, some education on the subject is required. People who are good at both, and have an interest in their simularities, can give ver...
Not sure what you are getting at. Of course it's not nessesarily the case at every instance, since people can be dishonest when they speak. One of the...
Wich theory would that be, and why don't you consider it to be plausible? I don't have any theory on my name as far as I know, I merely refer to scien...
I agree on this, since it's very possible to see an s on a page without recognizing it as an s, especially to total illiterate people who don't even h...
Agreed, though the fact that we speak about intelligence in a discriminating way, prooves that at least the ones who do this have at least some intuit...
Odd that you seem to think I don't understand statistics, while we at least seem to agree on this statement. Perhaps your reply was adressed at someon...
Exactly, the first statement is as useless as stating "the only thing math tests have ever been able to tell about anyone is how good or bad they are ...
I'd argue that the questioning of iq validity is evidence of high iq, but that total dismissal of iq validity is evidence of low iq. The first is abou...
Sure it works. It works for bodylenght, so why not for intelligence. If we want to determine whether someone is short or tall, we compare them to the ...
Why are you assuming it is me who doesn't understand statistics? As long as you don't provide a decent argument for your assumption, you are just pois...
Our disagreement seems to be based upon your more narrow definition of the word 'to measure', You seem to apply it as something that only is about det...
In order to determine wether there is a 'z' or an 's' written, you measure several things. Once that is done, you can compare it with what shape ought...
I guess we agree that this kind of behaviour is about the opposite of having a philosophical discussion. The thing is, they don't actually win the arg...
Sure, if you want to go into that much detail. Then I'd argue that in order to recognize, you first measured, meaning the recognizing comes after the ...
Simple, we have different kind of iq tests. Had all been 100% accurate, there would be no difference. However, when we use different tests, the result...
So the fact you are referring to is the fact of recognizing to have made a mistake. Well in that case, no , but you measured something that made you r...
If by accurate you mean there is no error margin, they are inaccurate, but the same goes for measuring liquids in a measuring cylinder. The only diffe...
I'd say you do. you measure to what degree they fit your memory of the person, and if it's close enough you will assume it's the same person. Though y...
We do have a standard for both volume measurement and iq measurement to compare it too. By repeatedly measuring and see how much the results of that d...
So clearly you believe to have a way to recognize instances of intelligent behaviour. In other words, means to measure intelligence. Hence intelligenc...
Does a measuring cylinder measure the amount of a liquid one puts in it? Same answer, stictly spoken it just attempts to measure it, and it only does ...
You can use your own definition, wich you didn't provide but clearly must have, since you made a claim about intelligence before I came into the discu...
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