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Let's try to make it real. We're here chatting philosophy with folks with no faces or real names because that's far more convenient and customizable t...

Um, I think maybe you need to watch the video. Just sayin....

Good point, agreed. Seems reasonable. Ok then, you have been discontinued as of 4pm today, given that you are one of many redundant human processors. ...

I'm sorry, but the answer is no. If we valued human existence we wouldn't have thousands of hair trigger hydrogen bombs aimed down our own throats. Ev...

So fossil fuels are still cheaper than renewables, and we don't have a good method of storing the energy generated by renewables? Is that a fair summa...

Right. So if I walked around with a hair trigger loaded gun in my mouth all day long every day, but the gun had never gone off, people such as yoursel...

Why isn't it already far cheaper? What's the obstacle there?

My understanding is that the real obstacle is that renewables can not yet fully power our civilization. If they could provide the power we want we cou...

Yes, scientists are not evil, they're just doing what they were born to do with typically good intentions. The problem is that while we can be very sm...

I'm in favor of Karl continuing his quest, and feel that will go better if he doesn't get too attached to any particular scheme. If one idea is debunk...

I hear you, that's true, and I've had that experience myself. In the end it boils down to where one's true loyalty lies, with the ideas, or with the p...

Learn how to better manage the device which is generating the suffering. Except that reality IS satisfying in and of itself. Our experience of reality...

Crank, your financing plan is built upon an asset with market value, solar generated hydrogen. Karl's financing plan is built upon an asset that can't...

I would summarize the difference in our perspectives this way. We're building a global technological machine. As the engine of a machine is made more ...

We might, that's true. But nobody is going to invest today's money in such a remote distant possibility, especially given that we are currently racing...

We can observe that you again declined to respond to a specific concise challenge to the funding scheme for your utopian vision. Each of the following...

Ok then, let's all repeat our posts yet again. Here's mine. 1) Assets which can't be used have no market value. 2) Assets without a market value can n...

Well, no problem, because I'm wasting your time too. There appears to be no chance we will avoid what I'm pointing through via a process of reason, so...

Again, like I said, this is a utopian vision with no prospect of occurring in the real world any time soon. And while we're waiting for your utopia to...

Perhaps you could clarify Schop's definition for us in simpler clearer words, if you feel that we are somehow obligated to limit discussion to his def...

Yes, that would be a good question. The first essential step in that process would be to understand that such a thing is necessary. There's no point i...

Good history lesson Crank, thanks for adding that. Yes, and isn't this true of any science which reveals new powers? That is, at the point some resear...

Where is the evidence that this utopian vision is possible? To me, this part of your message is equivalent to the utopian vision "once we all become g...

I agree with Schop and you that we do a lot of running from from the void that can appear when we aren't distracting ourselves with becoming agendas, ...

Ok, true enough, but the Manhattan Project was possible because somebody doing pure science discovered that the atom could be split, right? Could we s...

It may be helpful if you can distinguish between science, and science culture, ie. the group consensus of the scientific community regarding their rel...

Attack your opponent's position from within their own world view. As example, if you wanted to challenge atheism you should do so by asking for eviden...

Nice job, the opening post is most excellent. It seems to me that political correctness in general is, in part, a channeling of some ancient psycholog...

As example, Professor Crank has a "more is better" relationship with my posts on this topic. That's so wrong, we're all gonna die if we hear any more!...

And so we should build even MORE such power, as fast as possible. That is the logic, or rather illogic, of the group consensus.

And what thousands of years of human history clearly shows is that knowledge, and the power that flows it, will always be used for both noble and self...

Existence can be satisfying in and of itself. Very useful information, but the price tag will be it might spoil your Schopenshour hobby. Your call of ...

Looking through the mechanical lens.... We have to eat and drink regularly to survive. We typically don't turn this never ending life long requirement...

Thank you for the Schopensour summary. I'm wondering if it's possible to sidestep all this wordy complexity. It seems more useful to me to do somethin...

And it is you, fellow members of this thread, and most of the society who are resisting that inevitable change. Most of the culture, led by the cultur...

Thanks for the link unenlightened, very relevant. Near the end of the article it reads.... Please note my bolding of the phrase "right now". Not that ...

Please observe how you're completely ignoring the evidence I offered regarding the history of computing, so you can type the word "ridiculous" again. ...

Will Trump go down in history as the most successful troll of all time?

If suffering arises from thought itself, then it seems such schemes would be addressing the heart of the issue. Your, um, thoughts?

Imho, suffering is built in to the nature of thought, which explains why suffering is a universal property of the human condition, whatever the time a...

See? This is what you're interested in, squabbling. To disprove this, start your own thread on these subjects where you attempt to dive deeper in to t...

I didn't invent this story. That's exactly what's going to happen if DNA manipulation continues on it's present course of rapidly getting easier and e...

To me, mysticism is just a fancy word for experience of the real world. All the other stuff are various explanations of the experience. The experience...

Agreed. Theology and other philosophies whether religious or secular are attempts to explain mystic experience. They aren't in themselves mystic exper...

We ourselves, the "me", is a story. So it's more fundamental than me telling myself a story. The story teller is himself a story. Meaning is a story. ...

Yes, if technology was able to profoundly transform the human condition for the better, that might solve the problem. But who would be designing such ...

I said this... But you don't like it because it doesn't create a space for you to play the role of profound expert. Ok, you are not obligated to like ...

Yes, so for instance, if the environment changes we have to change too. Or we can ignore the need to change, and die. Your plan for change appears to ...

Like I've asked about a dozen times now, how do we mortgage an asset which can't be used in any realistic manner or time frame, and thus has no value?...

To take college sophomores with a grain of salt, while remembering we've all been there.