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OK, but the general point holds: activities required to gain a skill are not required to maintain a skill. Recognising an "s" is a skill, perhaps meas...

My final reply to you was that you had a very specific and itself philosophically contestable theory of mind, and that discussing that was for another...

Even if it is true that to obtain the skill of recognising an "s" requires measuring (and again, I insist that if it does then a very technical use of...

I refer you to my final reply to FLUX23 - I believe you must have a very specific theory of mind-brain identity involving a very specific definition o...

@"Posty McPostface"@"Pseudonym" A mark of an interesting anecdote is that it is open to many interpretations - I for one was thinking more along the l...

OK. I'll try to take a browse tonight at the suggestions for companions available on the memory of the world site and let you know if I'm going to use...

OK, sounds fair enough. I'll get started on trying to think of some interesting things to say about propositions 1 and 2. I'm going to be out of conta...

Well, perhaps we should just take things a step at a time? I don(t know - we have to start somewhere after all. I'm far from an expert, but I am famil...

Just a quick thank you for that link to an incredible online resource I was not aware of. @"Posty McPostface" Well, I skim read the Tractatus this wee...

Well, there's quite a lot going on in your post, some of which I think I'm inclined to agree with. I think you are perfectly correct, for instance, to...

Well, "What's a genius" probably deserves a thread of its own - but mere membership of Mensa doesn't cut it for me. We can probably say without courti...

OK, we may not have a disagreement about these kinds of people - it sounds like at some level they are being hypocritical, but if you had an example o...

OK, so your claim that all recognition is measurement is based on a very specific theory of mind in which the term "measurement" has a very specific t...

No problem,take a look through the posts between myself and Tomseltje on the idea that recognising intelligence involves measuring intelligence. I sta...

We're getting down into some complicated issues now! Well, personally I do not play a musical instrument. My colleague who sits next to me does. Other...

About what specifically - the burden of proof charge? I've been down this particular path in this thread already - distinguishing one thing from anoth...

That taking an IQ test is a manifestation of human intelligence is not something I have denied or would deny. What I am denying is that it follows fro...

Nicely put, and since you seem to have gained high marks in previous IQ tests, perhaps @"Belter" will take you more seriously than he or she is willin...

You know, I'd never thought about it like that. By God you are right! I am a dumbass. Thanks for pointing that out.

That there is a concept of intelligence is not in question and how we gain that concept, or any other for that matter, is perhaps an interesting quest...

That's disputable. For instance, I simply saw that you misspelt "whether" "wether" - I didn't measure anything and I did not even compare your "wether...

Now, you seem to be implying that even though recognition is not measurement, each recognition is made on the basis of having made a measurement. Howe...

Take your pick. I presume you have made a mistake at some point during your life, and have recognised that you had made that mistake. In that case, th...

And when you recognise that you have made a mistake (if you ever do) do you thereby measure that fact?

Recognising something and measuring that thing are, in general, two entirely distinct activities. When you recognise someone in a crowd, do you measur...

If by "definition of intelligence" you mean "necessary and sufficient conditions for something's being intelligent" I have no definition of intelligen...

Your definitions of what it would be to say that IQ tests are/are not accurate and have/do not have deviation are clear and make sense against this in...

Nicely expressed. I think it's pretty certain that Tomseltje is displaying some confusion about what IQ tests are measuring, and that he/she doesn't r...

How do you expect me to answer the question when you have not even clarified what scientific definition of intelligence you suppose everyone to be fam...

That's twice you've thumped the table and exclaimed "Nonsense!" although the second time you add a "that's just silly" presumably hoping that a little...

IQ tests and their brethren at best single out a very few children as "special" which allows the educational status quo to continue on the basis that ...

What scientific definition? As far as I'm aware there is no settled scientific definition and if you just mean "intelligence is what IQ tests measure"...

Well according to a pretty detailed comment on the blog here, the way to account for it is to dispell its relevance on the grounds that the sample siz...

But that's to assume that intelligence is something that can be measured, and simply to say that it is because we measure it with IQ tests is a petiti...

Both - I see it as the same category mistake as the overarching category mistake concerning intelligence in general. Sure, one can try breaking down i...

@"Posty McPostface" @"Srap Tasmaner" @"mcdoodle" How about we proceed like this: We take a smallish chunk at a time - let's say e.g. we start with pro...

I am in complete agreement, but I see the ethos of IQ testing as part of supporting and maintaining exactly those aims, and it is those aims and the s...

IQ tests measure one thing, and only one thing, uncontroversially: the ability to take an IQ test. @"creativesoul" Of course the IQ tests themselves a...

All children have potential. Using a test based on a category mistake and which is specifically designed to single out a few from the many, even if fo...

You leave a subproof in Ficht system by discharging the assumption that began it. You can discharge assumptions by negating them (which you can do if ...

I'm in!

I guess it depends on the people who insist that he's wrong. There is an IQ testing industry of sorts, and other occupations (human resources for one)...

Well, point taken to some extent, but only to the extent of my clumsy expression. Correlations have been made between results in IQ examinations and o...

And the only thing that IQ tests have ever been able to tell about anyone is how good or bad they are at taking IQ tests.

Exactly. I recommend that anyone who wants to start making claims about what IQ can tell us about anybody or anything should first of all read Stephen...

Not sure I'm following you - but in any case you've whetted my appetite for rereading TLP and PI , so thanks for that, and I may be back with more lat...

Thanks very much.

I might just do that - in any case I've been thinking about rereading PI and TLP for a while now (since I joined the forum in fact, and saw Wittgenste...

Not sure about that: "reality is the totality of facts not of things" - that sounds like a metaphysical claim to me.

OK, but in the Tractatus he had a very restricted view of what language is (at least that is one interpretation of it). Language is precisely and only...