Artemis

As has been previously stated, they don't have nervous systems or brains, and so are incapable of thought or feeling.

That's clearly wrong, since some if us do choose not to. Also, you already admitted to just being a troll.

Guess that means killing babies and lynching black people is free game!

Maybe then this is not the thread for you and you should stick to commenting on threads you actually care about/have an open mind about.

To all of those, I say: we'll just have to find another way to fix it. It's a problem humans created, after all. We have to do better than perpetually...

Actually, no. The math does not check out. The ratio of animals killed to calories gained still weighs more heavily in favor of plant farming than dee...

Maybe in one or two rare exceptional cases. But hypothetical edge-case scenarios exist for all moral positions. It's really not an argument against ve...

Any moral claim obviously falls under the tacit restriction: ought implies can.

And back to square one. Well, if you can't/won't understand how animal agriculture (obviously) kills more animals, then you're beyond hope.

I'm not even sure what your point is.

How does that work? I recommend the book "are we smart enough to know how smart animals are" by Frans de Waal. There you'll see that we actually have ...

Gary Francione for one. (It's hard to prove him wrong, though.) But other than that I think it's just a red herring meat eaters have purposefully crea...

You said: Either we eat animals and therefore must murder them for our "soul" (your description of which I find troubling), or we refrain from murderi...

Lol. I'm just going to take that as you conceding the argument.

I think I'm just as right as you think you are. But let's dissect your label for a moment: fundamentalist: adjective, 1. relating to or advocating the...

Please refrain from assuming you know what is going on in my mind or what my emotional state is. That's not only impolite, it's also poor philosophizi...

The human "soul" (whatever the heck you mean by that) requires us to lock up billions of animals in over-crowded factories, torture them their whole l...

Guess you live in a cave without air conditioning, medicine, factory farmed meat, and electronics...oh wait, you're chatting with us here. Hm, how doe...

Ought implies can. We need to eat to live. The question is how do we reduce harm as much as possible while doing so. Eating only plants caused both fe...

Somehow I don't think you'd find that so fair when the time comes. And so do you think it's permissible for us to kill and eat severely mentally disab...

It's really not though. And classics have stood the test of time because they are well-written and contain important thoughts about the human conditio...

Maybe not for you.

Testimony needs to be logical, coherent, and believable.

It is inherently illogical for a deity to exist. Not so with crime.

So what if there's two eye witnesses? Or three? Or one hundred? Yes, there are special circumstances where we must decide on testimony alone, and wher...

I get it. You just don't want to believe victims. The entire legal system from police officers to prosecutors to defense lawyers to judges know that t...

A) I'm not sure what your point even is. Because the chicken cannot recognize the instrument of its death, it deserves to be killed? Or that it theref...

Out of 1000 rapes, 994 perps walk free. But you're worried about false testimonies... Consider the 1.3 million rapes a year... and you're worried abou...

I have compassion for those testifying to horrific situations that were beyond their control.

Basically, you're saying, someone should risk having their child murdered to avoid rape, or let themselves be raped to save their kid and we should al...

Wow. Way to have a) zero compassion for others. and b) absolutely no understanding of the human psyche.

See my above example.

5'4" 100lb woman home alone with her infant child. 6'2" 275lb man comes in and threatens to kill her baby if she doesn't sleep with him/give him all h...

Guess it's a good thing you're not king. Under your rule more rapists would get away than already do, and the current number is shocking enough. Lucki...

AK shows marriage to be complicated. It also shows that it requires a certain sense of giving up personal freedom. It locates happiness for most peopl...

Do you think someone should be allowed to lie and shout fire in a theater when it will cause mass hysteria and people will get hurt in their attempts ...

They're not single issue books, if that's what you want. Yes, they are long, but that's how they get to the heart of a lot of issues without being sha...

What do you mean by "explicitly"? They all incorporate lengthy philosophical dialogues or monologues. The Russians tend to dive more deeply into their...

Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Steinbeck, most Victorian lit., Sartre, Woolf, Maugham.... To name a few authors.

That's a weird question. I think veganism is better than omnivorism. Any other personal qualities will vary from person to person.

Vegans have recognized that animal use causes a hugely disproportionate amount of harm in relation to the happiness gained from eating them/using such...

Lol. Okay, well, duly noted, vegans aren't perfect. We never had that illusion, but if it makes you feel better, here again in all caps: VEGANS AREN'T...

That's not true. Almost all commitments we make are imperfect. Do you try to be a nice person? Thoughtful? A good partner/spouse? And if you ever find...

You're missing the point. Charity workers and vegans alike are working towards reducing harm. Both are aware of the impossibility of total elimination...

No. It doesn't. Depends on what we decide to do. Currently we are destroying the planet and murdering billions of animals for our taste for flesh, so ...

Except a) that chickens and all animals spend a considerable amount of energy avoiding death, so it's safe to say they don't want it. B) you're taking...

Do you ever do charitable work? Or donate to a charitable cause? Or even just help out someone randomly? If yes, then why don't you donate all of your...

Oh, I see. You're talking about humans as predators and why would they be moral towards others, especially prey, at all. Interesting question. For one...

You're touching on really interesting questions that I would love to further discuss. However, they fall beyond the scope of the question of this thre...

Omg, this is getting too funny. "I didn't say it was paradoxical to use suffering as a basis for veganism, I just said it was contradictory!" :rofl: I...