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He only wants "respect" for religious views, not secular ones.

It's not even clear what "respect" is supposed to entail here. I think he means, "don't challenge them in honest debate" which is just entirely unphil...

Let's face it: T Clark is not actually interested in seeing or understanding the other side here. He's just got it in his head right now that atheists...

You're basically just admitting that this whole thread is just trolling.

Um.... Like when? You mean in response here to your purposefully inflammatory thread? You make no sense. You are purposefully being a jerk and then pe...

I guess I have to think about that one a little more and whether I think it's proselytizing to quote Scripture in an argument. I do think it's sensele...

Proselytizing is a difficult thing to determine. T Clark previously said: "I'm not speaking for anyone. In my experience, many atheists don't see what...

You read it wrong then. 1. I gave an opinion to your discussion about the segregation idea. As in, it's stupid. 2. I pointed out that you are wrong to...

Okay then.

\ No. We're responding to exactly what you've said. It's just the ginormous chip on your shoulder that's hindering you from realizing it.

You haven't actually presented evidence, by the bye.

So because someone else opens a discussion in a way religious people don't like, I am allowed to be railed against, even though all I might have in co...

I've been on the receiving end of more than one diatribe by a theist or agnostic here, so "sole" is just plain false.

Doesn't this kinda amount to a truism? We'll all disagree a lot less when we only talk to people we agree with? I think people opposed to those confli...

Unkind is a weasel word, for quite a few reasons. I'll focus on one for now: it covers both neutral and mean actions. If I'm minding my own business a...

Strongly implied by whom? Not me. I've consistently said it's a means and not an end. I don't think "half of all philosophy people" (whatever that mea...

Nobody is talking about being "perfect." Yes, and I already pointed that out. Ever heard of the Age of Enlightenment? Has nothing to do with Buddhists...

Where do you get the idea that I am worried about "salvation" or "enlightenment"? I mean, the former is ridiculous, because I'm an atheist and I don't...

If one immoral act justifies others, where and how do you draw the line? Also, eating meat is worse than plastics, because it combines the environment...

Yes.... Until the observer shows up.... The smearing occurs pre-observer. That IS the whole point.

1. It's not a debate stage. 2. Don't speak to me like that. It's rude and sexist.

1. I'm not your dear. 2. That's what I've been trying to tell you and you keep telling me I'm not.... Part of disproving God relies on formal logic, a...

You'll notice that this is exactly how the modus ponens I presented you works.

I don't know where you are trying to "get" us, though I assume you mean to your point of view. I don't think I'm any closer now to your position than ...

It's about quantum indeterminacy until the observer appears. That's literally the whole point of the example. Except Shrödinger was using the example ...

I don't really appreciate your tone, but I'll give you a teaching moment of your own: If a then b. A Therefore b Is about as basic as it gets with for...

Why wouldn't formal logic include assessing psychological phenomena? I've never heard that in my life. You can state these things in totally basic syl...

Then you don't seem to understand what Shrödinger's cat was about. Theists believe in phenomena for which there is no proof. Atheists only believe in ...

I don't think that's accurate. And neither is this. To both of you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_%28quantum_physics%29 I'm not a scientist, ...

Monkey is right that color is kind of a messy example, because it's kind of the vision version of "when a tree falls in the forest...." But we could s...

So, the spinning apple only gives the illusion of having a different color. The actual colors of the apple have not changed, and are not merging towar...

Yes, I would defend the position that eating meat is immoral. At least for people who have reasonable access to plant-based alternatives. The best cou...

Well, that's mostly because there isn't much out there. There's not really anyone defending factory farming and the status quo. Michael Pollins "omniv...

We can start another thread if you like. There's nothing illogical about illusions. Not sure why you would think that either.

It would be true that it appears to be a different color, but it wouldn't really be. It would be an optical illusion.

Interesting take, but this just goes back to what I said previously about the red/green apple. Logic tells us that the apple cannot be both all green ...

I'm not sure gradations is the right word here, but maybe explain what you mean more before I comment on that.

While it is true that I couldn't judge the objective truth or falsity of the existence of a deity on your subjective testimony alone, your subjective ...

If you believe you're telling the truth, then it's true that you had an experience which you believe was God speaking to you. It might be objectively ...

You mean like a vision of Jesus? I can believe that such subjective experiences are true whilst maintaining that the experience itself may not have be...

It would have been objectively true that I was driving (though all objective statements are made with fallibalism in mind). The math would have been m...

Oops! You just took out a family of four.

I see what you mean, but I don't think that defies the rules of logic the way you think it does. I think you're referring to the law of non-contradict...

Well that escalated quickly. :roll:

Coben was asserting something along those lines actually. As for me, I think they serve some purposes. Finding out what is illogical helps you figure ...

I don't see any non-omnipotent alternatives to the mythology of a divine creator of all things. Perhaps you should explain more what you think a theis...

Except that this thread is all about exactly those terms and how they're used to falsely justify anti-LGBTQ sentiment, etc. Furthermore, Queer-theoris...

When you talk about deviation from a standard, in mathematics or elsewhere, you're talking about normal and abnormal. You're right though, that the no...

Exactly. And vice versa, people usually equate good or morally acceptable with normal and natural, e.g., it's "normal and natural" to eat meat, theref...

I've seen spiritualists and agnostics get pretty angry too. What's your point?