Bob, if you use my definition of murder in place of your definition of murder in all your arguments that God had committed murder in the Old Testament...
Bob, I gave you this definition of murder in our discussion two weeks ago. Your definition of murder is 'the direct intentional killing of an innocent...
@"Bob Ross" @"Leontiskos" @"Gregory of the Beard of Ockham" In previous posts, I had discussions with you and with Gregory of the Beard of Ockham on t...
Gregory, (3) is distinguish from (5) in that you are not dead to God in (3). You still exist in Hell. In (5), you are dead to God. You cease to exist ...
I'd like to add another description of death to your list: (5) When a person is dead to God. When a person ceased to exist to God. No. I do not think ...
Let me post my full quote for context. In a previous post, we have argued over the definition of murder: Bob, this is only true if the murder, killing...
In a previous post, you said: You are saying that as long as you are certain that the order came from God, you are justified in carrying out that orde...
Bob, we are at loggerheads because not only can't we agree on the definition of murder, but we also can't agree on the definition of death. A murder m...
Hanover, you appear to be saying that as long as you are certain that the order cane from God, you are justified in the killings of thousands of peopl...
Bob, here's the flaw in your logic. You cannot compare yourself to God. Just because God does not commit murder does not mean that no one ever commits...
Bob, I am using your definition of murder. In Genesis, God directly intentionally cursed man to suffer and eventually die when He expelled man from th...
Bob, by your reasoning, if "murder is the direct intentional killing of an innocent person and a killing is to end the natural life of a being", then ...
I agree that there are legally justified killings. If you commit a legally justified killing, then you will likely not be in trouble with the law. let...
If God asked you to commit a justifiable killing, then you won't be in trouble with God. Do you wonder why the "God defense" don't usually work in a c...
Bob, the form of your argument is valid, it is logically sound. Let's look at this another way. My argument is that God did not murder the Amalekites ...
@"Hanover" You are not obligated to nip that in the bud. The original premise is that God is perfectly good and not evil. God cannot and will not comm...
Bob, your argument is not perfectly valid. It is only partly valid. You argued that God is perfectly good and cannot be evil. You argue that if "God d...
Red Sky, Jeremy Murray, I just did a review of the posts in this discussion, and I found your questions about love that I had missed in my first readi...
Tom, every argument you made in your post is wrong, here's why. Evil is a part of bad. If you can love evil, then what evil and bad things can you lov...
Love is not just a feeling. Love is the love of something and not of nothing. You love because the thing you love is good. You cannot love evil. Love ...
@"PoeticUniverse" Beautiful poem. Is love really the same as truth, beauty, and goodness? If not, what distinguish love from truth, beauty, and goodne...
Allow me to present my entire train of thought on the subject of love. We love our wives, our children, our family, our friends because to us they are...
BC, I agree with you. Infants who are not nurtured or loved are prone to become psychotic. But isn't the treatment for neglected infants nurture and l...
Tom, let me present an apology of my arguments. This is what I said in my post. Let me ask this. The career criminals and gang members that you say ne...
I have come up with some thoughts, after a review of our discourse. I would like to offer an apology of my statements of love, beauty, and good. Like ...
As I see it, truth, beauty, virtue, and such are a part of goodness; goodness is a part of true goodness; true goodness is a part of perfection; and p...
The frame of reference for true beauty and true goodness is perfection. If we define perfect beauty and perfect goodness as beauty and goodness to the...
I believe that not believing in "the things of God", like beauty, truth, virtue, and love have more unpleasant consequences. Let me tell you why I bel...
There are people who say that there is a beautiful world where all our needs are provided for, where we live a life of simplicity and contentment free...
To answer your question, let me define some terms as the basis for our discourse. The beautiful is that which is nearest to beauty and the ugly is the...
Too over the top? This is an allusion to the revelation of beauty absolute in a speech by Socrates in the dialogue Phaedrus. Yeah, philosophy is endle...
I believe the "they" that you say are abstractions are beauty and goodness and not the beautiful and good. Beauty and goodness are the defining attrib...
The beautiful and good are not abstract notions. Beautiful and good things exist. It can be experienced through art, music, and human interactions lik...
I can understand why you don't believe that "Love is a mighty God". I can't understand why you believe that "some people never experience love". Are y...
I do not agree that love is immeasurable and illimitable. Love is an experience shared by all. I am leaning into Plato's claim that love is a desire, ...
Tom, I will save the discussion of absolute categories of good and beauty for later. But good and bad, beauty and ugliness are subjects that we experi...
Unenlightened, you are advocating that love is painstaking and sacrifice. BC, you are advocating that love is lust and trust. Athena, you are advocati...
I too cannot accept Keats' proclamation that beauty is truth. Beauty is not the same as truth. I believe that truth and beauty are a part of good. Now...
I agree with you both. Love is the love of something and not of nothing. I believe that something is beauty. Beauty can be manifested in a man, a woma...
Isn't love more than lust, more than physical or sexual desire? In the dialogue Phaedrus, Plato made the ironic argument in two speeches that the love...
Your point is partly true, but it is not the complete truth. The intrinsic love of parents for their children is not affected by whether their childre...
Yes. I think that the parents can love their child even though they believe that their child is disable. The parents see their child through their "mi...
MoK, I don't know why my tablet would not allows me to select your full question "Don't parents of a disabled child love him/her?" It is because they ...
MoK, I can't seem to be able to select your quote to Tom Storm "I think they mix love, affection, and the like with beauty." This is not true. Love is...
Goodness comes into beauty because beauty is a part of good. Whether we think that the rose or the bulldog, for that matter, look good or smell good d...
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