Chet Hawkins

Well that's your belief. It is not mine. I do pursue wisdom. And I am happy to engage in the false modesty of Socrates when I say, 'I am not wise'. It...

Well you can get that you claimed I was implying something negative with the word 'merely' or 'only' if I recall properly. I was not. So, I am very co...

Until we are perfect, objective in understanding, until we do 'know'; we have only varying degrees of awareness and of course, belief.

That idea is not new to me, although much too much is made of this, and without a proper intent (yes, according to me). That is to say, the goal of a ...

Since knowledge is delusional belief, knowledgeable people are delusional. And that is ok. But we are trying to become MORE AWARE in this process, or ...

Colloquial or personal nonsense notwithstanding: adjective being nothing more than specified “a mere child” synonyms: specified clearly and explicitly...

That is MY point. You are ... aware ... of many aspects of your parents and how they are, who they are. But you DO NOT know them. They do not know the...

I think that the self-indulgent position you take here is part of the problem, not the solution. Enjoyment of awareness is STILL NOT knowing. Agreed t...

I agree, and it's actually not hard really to understand that languages and specifically the emotion of fear cause a separation to happen. Fear is the...

The infinite nature of perfection, even as a concept, is shown in every experience, and in every philosophical concept in many ways. That is effective...

And all of that is fine. It's all error, not truth in any way. But you can bet on it as highly probable and be correct.

I agree that there is no helping some folk. You are again precisely wrong, not just wrong. Pragmatism is the philosophy that accepts and encourages pr...

Most people would not know the difference in these terms. That is my point. I contend that in fact those most people are more correct than anyone clai...

This complaint has no quality. You are just repeating the same mistake. You offer no argument. I cannot tell who you are not quoting here. Quote for b...

I mean that is just some sort of gloming onto 'their' sentiment. I would maybe see one of 'them' also suggesting that we not use the the derogatory wo...

Apologies, yes. As you might have surmised I DID NOT read all the pages that accumulated in my absence. That is no guarantee though that there is the ...

Since you cannot know certainties, uncertainties are right out! 'Nod's as good as a wink to a blind man, eh?'

I agree and that was a fairly lion's share portion of what my claim was. The essential issue is that the word 'knowing' is used to invoke delusional c...

Confusing you maybe. Events are not truth. They may true, as in 'This happened'. The laws of 'Truth' Involved is what we are discussing, not events or...

I'm horribad at it. The clarity of my own world is simply never seen in others.

Sorry I was gone for a bit. The deceivers fooled me. I plugged a PC fan jacket into the wrong jumper because the label was displaced and not directly ...

Humility and the 'fact' that I cannot know truth in any way, only approach it in many ways.

Amen to that! ;)

Justification is not actual proof. It is only 'good enough'. This means different things to different people as you yourself just pointed out. So your...

You claiming this with no explanation at all shows the depth of your intent or lack of it. Perfection can only be the sum total of truth. Its effect a...

I am deontological in belief. If you intend something that is an accident you are still not really right. The summation of your words in the simplest ...

Again, no that is wrong. True is being misused. What is your level of granularity for truth? For me it is absolute and it SHOULD morally be treated as...

There can be accidentally true statements. But knowing is delusional as a base. This is along the lines of a broken clock is still right twice daily. ...

Exactly. And if we are purveyors of wisdom, or even something as unknown as 'truth', we are obliged to at least try to point that out. In fact some pe...

Yes, precisely. And more to the point, for me, is ... we should all stop LYING to each other about 'knowing'. These false pretenses are doing us great...

Admittedly true. But I am self confessed as 'knowledge is only belief', and sadly I DO believe it is ONLY belief. That is to say I believe it is impos...

Exactly! I agree and THAT is my point. I like your additions to the concepts.

You acknowledged the central point, though. And I am down with your qualifications, as well, not therefore.

I fairly well agree. When I spoke of knowledge in that sense I erred. That is to say, colloquial knowledge, what most people call knowledge is only a ...

And if I had had the time, I would have bubbled belief around the word fact to show its inclusion in the belief set (properly).

No, not quite. There are three levels in there. Knowing Fact Belief At least the 'fact' part is SUPPOSED to have due diligence. But so often it does n...

That is the single statement (among others) most able to show that I already did that work. No I meant what I said. Don't put words in my mouth. My fe...

Ah but of course it does. You have to do some of the work! And the REAL bite here is I DID already do that work. The flexibility of belief being inclu...

Well you walked into this one: Someone who 'knows' (ha ha), observes, claims, that this is vague SHOULD be able to say how so.

Well, you kind of backed off on your position I think. When you dither, I cannot tell what you mean to say or write or believe. So, perhaps we are mor...

So I could/should rest on that statement alone as it is incontrovertible. But the quislings out there will want to retreat behind 'facts' and 'knowled...

Knowledge is only belief.

Nietzsche could claim some 'success', it seems. His voice can be heard amid more 'common' walks of life, in activism, in music, etc. Awareness, in gen...

An observation is certainly a claim, as in a recitation of the senses AS IF they are accurate. And missing the point is what you did there, JUST an ob...

It does. Does making a claim in the blind with no specific reference bother you?

In a way, I agree. But the way I agree is expressed well enough by Milton for me to allow him to make my argument here for or with me: "Let truth and ...

I do very much understand what he is saying. It seems to be a trend these days that if people do understand and disagree then others claim they just d...

OMG you call Sartre unreadable and you ... repeated the vomitous word salad of Joshs? What? The thing to realize is IT IS JUST about what is objective...

I mean, as long as there is a vomitorium nearby and I can hurl up the remains of any brief attempt at digesting that word salad, and then teams of wel...

Anger is indeed impatient, and that is my born-in failing, I'm afraid. Challenge and impatience. Socrates, my brother from another mother, would relat...