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If you cannot see the argument, we're in the same place we always are Athena. No matter...

I was hoping this would not be necessary: It is hard for me to see how you're not trolling. The question is obviously and clearly about speech. So, ca...

Could you perhaps point out, in the above, where I suggested, or intimated that this is what you wanted? Or that I was questioning it? You'll notice I...

Hmm. I may not be getting where you want to go here, but the first section seems just an exegesis of sorts. Fair enough. You clearly do not see the De...

What justification are you looking for my guy? I look at the two sets of moral generalities - one seems cogent, the other not so. If you disagree, tha...

Possibly, this resolves it. If we're both seeing this, is it just the degree which is in question? Hard to tell. It seems like you're arguing somethin...

Cannot tell if this will be relevant, but the thread put me in mind of this book Physics as Metaphor.

Thank you; appreciate it. Definitely true. I may have misunderstood, but it was quite loaded on the back of everything that came before it. I would al...

Hmm, I can see why this is the take, but I don't think so. This seems best illustrated by the illusory way politicians have us thinking they care abou...

I assume you will read the rest of my comment, and delete this eventually?** If you think so. But it goes to the core of why "hate speech" is a nebulo...

No, no, no, no. LOL. I haven't said or intimated this. You probably need be a bit more precise in how you're reading me: Obviously that's how things a...

Hard to respond - feels (I know you're not) like you're ignoring: These are hallmarks of development and effort in assessing ones views. You do not ne...

I don't think you're coming into contact with what's being said. Something like a politician saying "Go forth, my disciples, and murder those who woul...

I don't have many. I agree. Broadcasting, generally, requires regulation. The state is the source of rights. I see nothing that could upend that bare ...

A very good question. I am not convinced it's a coherent concept. It's like something being "factually Good". Just seems a nonsense to me. To me, I gu...

I understand. A fair take. I disagree, on historical grounds, but this is not something particularly arguable. It's how I see it, rather htan some set...

This is exactly the problem. You think this. So do people who think misgendering is hate speech and needs to be a criminal offense. The use of the wor...

Not if you're successful - you will harm and that'll be that. Still happens these days. That's the point. Causing actual damage is something which nee...

"free speech" is either free, or restricted. So it's worded somewhat misleadingly. To me, there are clear instances where utterances are blameworthy. ...

I don't see it as self-referential at all, let along aggrandizing. I think its a totally reasonable set of things to say (not true of everything he's ...

Divine Command theory holds that ethical statements are beholden to a revealed truth about a creator deity, essentially. Not always exactly that, but ...

I may well not be responding to you again if this is your response to someone pointing out that your entire premise is wrong in their view, and so did...

You often say crazy shit. This is patently not one of those. This is bang on.

Then I have no idea what you're talking about. There seems no difference. It seems your just describing political discussion as 'across the aisle', no...

In reverse, I generally agree, but I am not entirely sure how I feel about the sacredness of hte Constitution. It's been open to update before. Why no...

This tells me either you, or your moral system, is quite obviously defective. If you don't want to and that trumps all this suffering, that's on you. ...

(This isn't loaded. I understand you'll have a reasonable answer) Do you keep this same logic when it comes to noting other, prima facie interesting s...

They're being in the country, for one. Something Crockett seems to not know is a crime. Yes. A dark chapter. Hmm. Until Trump, the single thing about ...

It's a weird wording. Prima facie, no. We don't. I don't think exploitation is ipso facto bad, though. I would like to maximally exploit all the talen...

I think you've nailed this being hte crux of how there could even be an actual 'crisis' of government. Trump is correct, and if they were all criminal...

I agree that this is what is happening. Though, I add that the majority of people don't think this is what's happening. They think that morality is ob...

I agree with this, for sure. It wasn't at all an actual coup (though, I do have to leave open the "What if they got physical control of the building?"...

You needn't add 'undeserving'. The position doesn't consider deserts. Nor should it, imo. BUt my response still wouldn't be unilaterally removing supp...

We've been cordial enough recently for me to say "Yes, that's true. Not what I was getting at " lol.

This seems a bit of "whataboutism". I think BC has correctly identified a situation where, for all other viewers, the right-wing action was hypocritic...

In their view, however misguided, they were upholding Law by pushing back against an illegally-won election (I know, I know. Roll your eyes all you wa...

Perhaps he needs another cultural moment. Certain seems like this sort of thing is trying to be brought into legislative styles. The recent UK court r...

Just a note: we might be closer to each other htan many here, but saying things like this: comes across as emotional, dismissive and unhelpful to a co...

You've made a separate move (one which takes advantage of My leaving the thread - and perhaps was designed to get me commenting again - I think this i...

I didn't do that. A reading of what I've actually said would betray this. So, do not attempt to be dishonest about me in threads I can read. :) You ar...

This is something that hte theory they're using has to answer for. Is it an objective moral, and can it be articulated? From a religious point of view...

I was under this impression until some recent events had an overwhelming party-political bent to them (Karmelo Anthony, Luigi Mangione, Elon being dra...

I'm the opposite. Intuitively, I assume there must be something more. But I cannot find even a coherent articulation of what that 'something more' cou...

Ok. Your misunderstandings are noted, and I shall go about my business. Good luck to you.

You're welcome to think so. I have already addressed this (among your issues). Err nope. BUt again, you're free to think so. You've not. You're still ...

Not quite, but I think this comes into something about when we can even apply the note 'correct'. If it's a question of reportage, then there's a rubr...

Not hard to imagine. You just have to realise you can disagree with the morals, and still notice that they are more developed (or, better orchestrated...

This is not I, nor any Randian i interact with's take on this. I have no idea why you're being difficult, dismissive and otherwise abraisive, but you ...

fwiw, this is how Randians comport themselves. hence the very apt comparison. According to you. I reject it. Brute value exists. I think its quaint, b...

Two Randian threads in ten minutes. Colour me surprised! LOL. Looks like I was going to reply last week lol. (I agree, wholeheartedly!!! And that's my...