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We can only do our best to figure out the stuff we have access to. If that's not knowledge then nothing is. I think, yes, of course we could in the en...

You think it can be useful without having any correspondence to reality at all? Note that correspondence isn't like direct realism (naive realism?). Y...

You really think it's ambiguous? You say something is obviously true, I want it detailed why it's true, and asking "why do you think that's true" is a...

But you still aren't saying why. What about conservative morality matches those aspects specifically? What about non-conservative morality doen't matc...

you just quoted yourself describing 'well developed' again, and once again NOT explaining which aspects of conservative morality make it more well dev...

I think I was pretty clear. Youre just saying it's obvious that it's well developed and everyone should agree, that's not good enough. That's just beg...

you are describing "well developed" in general, not saying why conservatives match that description. You're taking it for granted that your point of v...

None of this is specific about why the group you're saying is "more developed" is more developed. It honestly just looks to me like, rather than them ...

what does this even mean? "more developed"? You're talking about it like it's some objective fact, like you can measure how developed a set of politic...

Is that so? I don't think I would say that. Is a real steak not implemented in the physics of the situation?

We can meaningfully talk about experiences of "things" and the possible reality in which those "things" don't "exist". The bald white guy eats a steak...

What he's saying is kind of why it's so hard to persuade people. Like I think back to how much trouble Corvus had (and still has) understanding why de...

Ah okay well that makes sense then, have a good day

With this start, I didn't think I was going to be impressed with where you were going with this. You surprised me though, and I'm now a step towards a...

you can't imagine a scenario where it's rational to choose Bach when you like his music less? I can...

I don't understand what that has to do with anything

What we see an emergent artifact of what exists, not *actually* the same thing as what exists. But even if it was what we see, it seems like YOU are m...

The title of this thread is irksome. So you disagree with some idea, and that means *no one* really believes it? Come the fuck on. Growing up, I heard...

let's just see what chat gpt has to say about that...

It's already happening a lot. Human creativity is undergoing a huge change. It might even be on the path to disappearing...

Absolutely bonkers Well yes, and it does. I'm pretty sure the process of training is involves a whole lot of asking the ai for an output given some in...

I wonder if time isn't the thing we experience, so much as it is one of the things that must exist to facilitate experience. Whatever you experience, ...

But what if it's not the properties alone that explain it, but instead the processes that the properties enable? Properties alone should, I think, not...

I'm surprised mr Craig's opionion matters at all to anybody in this thread. Who cares what some random religious apologist thinks about time? I wouldn...

honestly the rest of the forum should be ashamed of themselves.

I think if Bob2 spontaneously likes something different from Bob1, then... that's random. That like doesn't seem to have come from anywhere. There's n...

"moving spotlight" may have a 4d view of the universe as a whole, but still a 3d view of the present moment, just like presentism, right? I consider '...

ah the plant chapter, that was honestly fascinating.

Oh, okay, so they DO posit a universal aether reference frame, got it. Yeah I agree. Presentism would require there to be a singularly true reference ...

I thought you said they don't have to resort to supposing a universal Aether frame. Your answer to why they do't have to suppose that, is because... i...

Why don't they?

cool, glad you're enjoying it. What's the cliff notes for that convo with chamovitz?

I don't think this is the most intuitive form of presentism at all. The intuitive form of presentism, it seems to me, is one that acknowledges that th...

Sure. I thought about that from just the basic observation that our own experiences are rooted in variables changing that we're sensitive to. When I d...

I've had the idea (and I'm still partial to it, but it's only a speculation and I'm by no means convinced it's true) that it's about sensitivity. A th...

I'm not convinced that "being itself" is the complete idea of god in these conceptions. I believe it's PART of how God is conceived, but it must have ...

I believe it's in chapter 11, they discuss a block type view of the universe where causality and space time both are emergent features, emerging from ...

Yes, so if mass is a fundamental part of our universe, you wouldn't immediately can that non-physicalism, so I guess for Annaka the same is true of ex...

I literally said you don't have to accept it as true. It has evidence, whether you accept it as true or not.

Do you have evidence for that? So that means, if someone says "I believe in God", that would by synonymous with saying "I believe existence exists"?

I would be real curious to understand the desire there, the desire to take the word "god", which for many means "a being like odin or zeus or ra or kr...

But they're still atheists in the normal sense. In the sense that pertains to zeus and odin. They're only not atheists when you define god in such a l...

ignoring what MU is saying, I googled "meaning of unsubstantiated", and google tells me "not supported or proven by evidence". "proven" there is in th...

Do you believe in Zombies? Maybe you do, but let's assume not for the time being. Tom Storm doesn't believe in Zombies. Does your disbelief in Zombies...

Yeah, and so changing the definition to "being itself" is... not what's meant. That's my point. Atheists are sure what they mean, and they're sure the...

Yeah well I agree with you that it's OBVIOUS that "proof" in the strong sense of the word is out of the picture here. So if he means that... well, he ...

I was taken it to mean "evidenced". An unsubstantiated claim is a claim without any evidence.

What would be the reason? What would that evolution look like?

and the answer is never "being itself"

Abstracting god away from being a conscious being, and into something like "being itself" are... fine, I guess, but they have nothing to do with what ...