Patterner

Yes! Exactly right. Describing it and defining it are very different things. We couldn’t guess all the different definitions/explanations/theorized ca...

Yes, that’s what I meant. And I know because I feel it. How doI know I have five fingers on both hands? Because I see them. How do I know the toast is...

I can’t say I understand, everything you’ve written. But I agree with everything I understand.

I know you're coming at it from a position other than stupid. I know you have something in mind.. But you’re not saying it. or I’m not understanding w...

These things have not been answered by any theory of physical reductionism. If they had been, Christof Koch would be arguing the point, and would not ...

But we have made machines with visual sensors that take different actions when presented with different colors. If they don't see blue, then something...

I did. We can explain things like perception, language, behavior, and memory in terms of things like neurons, circuits in the brain, feedback loops, a...

If my hand is in a flame, I feel pain, and I pull my hand away. If there is no qualitative element/subjective experience/whatever term someone wants t...

I don’t understand the difference between “you have the experience of falling freely” and “you can experience falling freely.”

What do you mean? Why do I think I see blue? And taste sweetness? Not sure I am following you. Are you saying Ludwig V is a Jedi?

I don’t know. You said, “ I'm not clear what category of existence is attributed to them.” I wondered if you had any particular leanings. I don’t know...

What do you think the things dualists invented the term for actually are? I mean, you see blue, and taste sugar, and feel pain. What category of exist...

:lol: I appreciate your efforts. I’m asking your opinion. Do you think qualia are non-physical things? Such a discussion with him would be great. Howe...

Why do you think we don’t have one now? Do you suspect there are physical things or properties that we cannot yet detect? Or do you think we have not ...

I would think that being physically reducible is the surest was to prove that something exists. Physical reductionism is how science works, more or le...

Certainly not. I don’t know why you are asking me that. I never intended to suggest such a thing. Maybe I worded something badly? Rainbows do exist. A...

No, there is not. Because, as you just explained, we know how it happens, and it’s all physical. If a rainbow started showing signs of consciousness, ...

If the matter inside our skulls does not take on the shape or color of whatever we’re thinking of, in what sense is there a picture or model in my hea...

I’m only speaking of what my consciousness perceives, regardless of whether what it perceives is the result of signals from the retina, or the result ...

I understand the difference in the two ways of wording it in your first sentence, and it makes sense to me. However, rather than disposing if illusion...

I don’t understand what you mean by “we actually see internal images” or “ it doesn't make sense to suppose that we only see images when something's g...

Has that question been answered in regards to when I see an actual object? I might suspect it would be the same answer, even if the source material is...

All of that makes perfect sense to me.

Unfortunately, I'm a bit lost. I'm not well read on a lot of these things. I may use terms incorrectly, or misinterpret what is being said. Phenomenal...

True, it does not in a literal sense. But it does in an illusory sense. That's what gives us the sense of wonder and makes us laugh. No, the magician ...

Something is an illusion only if there is consciousness to be fooled by it. The stick in the water is not an illusion to the stick, or the water, or t...

You have fantastic taste.

I just quoted these elsewhere recently. Goff is quoted in an article: In a Ted Talk, Chalmers says: Skrbina said: I don't know if any panpsychists bel...

It doesn't seem to me that either of them has anything to do with the decision of whether or not the fleet launches.

(FYI, I added the sentence "And we should not claim that, by talking about A, we are talking about B." after you had hit Quote.) I may be misinterpret...

That's all entirely true. That is the state of our understanding of consciousness. When we have two different things, such as objective and subjective...

Indeed. I've been arguing that it does not suffice to explain consciousness, or even make the attempt. It addresses only the physical activities. Can ...

I do not deny it. I have gone to lengths, with my words and with Nagel's, to make clear that it seems obvious that matter and energy are conscious. Ou...

Let me try to explain my thinking this way... It we saw a skyscraper made entirely of liquid water, we would look for something else going on. Because...

I'm not sure what you mean by deduce. If you mean, for example, someone who has never heard of chemistry or organic chemistry, but knows all the rules...

That answers the question of Where. My question is of How. How do the physical processes that explain our senses, and our behaviors resulting from the...

If we can, can you explain it? Particles interacting with each other in the only ways they can, due to their properties and the forces acting upon the...

Nagel saidI don't see how it could be said our consciousness would exist but for our brain. However, that's not the same as an explanation of how the ...

Q: Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? A: Who knows. Who cares.

:D

No, I do not agree. There is no consciousness without activity.

Indeed. But that's always the way of it. People still say that about the internet. Before that, it was television. And radio before that.

Ok. But that article was not written by a panpsychist. Let's see what some of them say. Goff is quoted in that article: In a Ted Talk, Chalmers says: ...

Can you give me a quote from a panpsychic saying that kind of thing? I don't have reason to believe it is. I've chatted with it quite a bit. Amazing t...

Fascinating! How did your toaster respond? Audibly? Did it burn the words onto a slice of bread?

I think that would be one of the tests. Let me know what your toaster's response is. I'm very excited!!

Let's give your toaster and car whatever tests of consciousness we can think of. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they fail a test.

I thought the conversation was about machines that pass every test we give them looking for consciousness. We could always refuse to believe they are,...

We don’t need neuroscience to answer that. If we can't tell they're not, then what is the downside of treating them as though they are?

Imagine consciously squeezing our heart every second. :D Hey, Magneto had his heart literally ripped out of his body. He consciously kept his blood ci...