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I agree. I think Laplace was just saying something with all knowledge of where everything is and of all the forces would be able to calculate everythi...

It's Laplace's premise. It's not mine. I don't believe it to be the case. My guess is that he didn't want to get into God, because that would be a dis...

I don't think it was specifically for you.

Shirley you don't mind.

Autocorrect?

Yes. I would not interpret Laplace's words as including any other universes. The defined system is the universe. I answer Yes to both. Why not? That's...

LD is also aware of where every particle in the universe outside of our solar system is, which way each is going, and can calculate which will interac...

Yes, it is complicated. I have not had any luck trying to find out how we determine which slit a photon goes through. What kind of device can detect w...

I didn't get a notification of this. Glitch the matrix?

That's exactly what they want me to believe.

Well, I mean, since LD doesn't actually exist, no, it isn't really useful in determining whether or not the universe is deterministic. LD isn't a diag...

Yeah, I understand that. But we're talking about free will. I'm not saying our minds don't cause things. I'm saying that, according to this view, our ...

I don't see why not. If idealism is correct, the reality the minds are thinking up that we take to be physical has consistent properties, rules, etc. ...

That, I believe, is the point of LD. Maybe? If all is deterministic, then numbers and information, and consciousness and intent, are irrelevant. It ca...

The quote can be found on anything number of sites... I believe this is saying that LD knows everything about everything IF everything about everythin...

I don't know how LD would deal with quantum events. I suppose it's possible that it would understand why things happen randomly, uncertainly, and, to ...

Right. if there is free will. If everything we think, feel, and do is not determined solely by progressions of arrangements of all the constituent par...

Yes, that's the question. Knowing where every particle in the universe is, and what each is doing, would LD be able to calculate exactly what we were ...

I agree. If there is no free will (however anyone wants to define that), and we all do what we do only because that's how the billion bouncing billiar...

Thanks. And yeah, he's awful funny. Lol. So if Tse is correct, let me ask about this:Certainly, the physical interactions taking place among the compo...

I can. Because the future isn't something that exists in the present. Something can only change if it exists. My television can be on channel 2, and I...

Thanks for pointing me at these things. When a page or two after what I quoted last time says I fear I'm not going to get too much out of the book. Th...

Indeed. There is no such thing as a future that "really will" or "is supposed to" happen. We only have what comes to be. Planning to do something is n...

What if we build a robot that does various things under various conditions. When it's optic sensors detect something of a certain size range coming in...

I have started the book a couple times. I'll try again. But I can't find it in me to be overly hopeful that Tse provides an account of how mental caus...

What is an example of changing the future directly?

Sure. If we could measure EVERYTHING. In theory, we could tell how the coin would land if we had all of the variables at the instant it lost contact w...

While I don't take the ideas of me being a simulation or being in a VR seriously for a second, here's a thought. IIRC, the characters in Sophie's Worl...

I agree with you. But I'm asking if what I said is the idea of the thread. Sorry, should have specifically asked .

I have no idea what this topic is about. If I go to my refrigerator and take out the ham and cheese for a sandwich, then put it back and make pb&j, ha...

It seems odd enough that beings of a certain nature would come up with the idea of a reality that was of a nature unlike anything they had or could ev...

Yes, for things I haven't even noticed yet. But I think an explanation is needed if I am in a place I've never been, write a list of what I see, and a...

I don't know enough about this. Is the idea that the many minds/consciousnesses all think up the same things that we generally take to be mind-indepen...

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For me, life is not nothing more than suffering. There is plenty other than suffering. We are all the universe becoming aware. To get all poetic, that...

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I do love me some Bartók! And it doesn't get more arid than Arrakis and Raraku!

I told ENOAH the same thing not long ago.

Practicing a religion could gain you nothing, and could be seen as a waste of every moment spent practicing it. It could if gods exist that reward us ...

That's amazing! Holy cow!

How did this situation come to be? For millennia, people were entirely fooled into thinking they had free will. I don't know when someone first came u...

What a surprising response! :grin: I probably know as close to nothing about poker as is possible. I hadn't thought I was suited to it in any way. Now...

An extremely important point. A few scenarios come to mind. 1) My genetic makeup, and every experience I've ever had, and everything about how I feel,...

That's very well said. The question is: Why does it seem there is a being in the mechanistic process? IOW, the Hard Problem. Why do these physical pro...

Right. And ChatGPT is the program. And Deep Blue is the program. I agree. But that's another conversation entirely.

I very much appreciate your view. I've been more than somewhat interested in taoism for most of my life. I loved Le Guin's Earthsea books and the old ...

But you don't get to "give meaning to the factors" if it's all deterministic. Your genetic makeup, experiences, etc., give everything meaning to the g...

But if the choices are determined, then are they really choices? I throw a ball into the air, and give it a choice: continue to rise forever, or fall ...

No worries. I never took anything as adversarial, or an accusation thereof.

I don't really know where we part ways. It seems you describe things as I see them. You, shall we say, put the puzzle pieces together as I do. But the...