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Fair questions indeed! I'm self-consciously just a dude, a non-parent even, who likes to talk about ideas...and I feel my smallness. With that disclai...

I don't think we need a truthmaker, just to be clear. I've been speculating about what others, who disagree, might have in mind.

The issue is...what's the truthmaker of 'there are plums in the icebox' ?

This Is Just To Say By William Carlos Williams I have eaten the plums that were in the icebox and which you were probably saving for breakfast Forgive...

I think folks are falling prey to their visual imagination somehow. If the contingently true proposition is the color of Sally's dog, they visually im...

That sounds right, depending on how CT is understood.

Is truth something like North on a compass ? The grammatical role it play is so simple that it confuses. 'Assume P.' Now P plays the role of the given...

Oh Sorry ! I meant CT for correspondence theory. (Fixed).

Yeah. Still seems like unnecessary machinery to me. It's as if assertion is brutally irreducible, which I'd connect to the primacy of the social and t...

That would explain why CT feels so close and so far away to the redundancy theory. I'm afraid that folks might want to interpret 'P' as a string of le...

I could have answered this better. FWIW, I think it's hard to divorce rationality from anti-racism, anti-sexism, and anti-classism. It goes with free ...

Is that T or F ? Or (T + F)/2 ?

This is weird and funny to me. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truthmakers/#Def What in god's name is supposed to happen when we imagine that a pro...

. I think the issue is truthmakers. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truthmakers/ I think that @"Banno" and I both don't trust the notion much. It s...

This is where the CorrTheory and the redundancy theory are very close. If plums being in the ice box are the 'truthmaker' for 'there are plums in the ...

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Or the world itself is vague in places.

Deep question ! I think we articulate values, make them explicit, as beliefs. 'No kid should go hungry in this country.' To me there's nothing wrong w...

The issue though is whether truth is a property in the first place. I use P as a symbol for the semantic payload of 'P'.

As opposed to a few things that are ? I think that they sometimes to, due to ambiguity primarily. But let us differentiate carefully here between impe...

I want to live a wise life like just about anyone who survives their youth perhaps. All of us, philosophers or not, are under pressure to figure out w...

I'm sure we agree that meaning is contextual. We want to think with the learned and have no choice but to speak with the vulgar, for we ourselves are ...

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

Of course. But no one says we do. Indeed, we are precisely trying to clarify and elaborate and even modify concepts here and in general. On the other ...

That's nonstandard usage of 'know' and seems to imply that thermostats also have knowledge. You are of course free to develop a theory in that directi...

Fair enough. But what's a truthmaker for 'there are plums in the icebox'? Are you tempted to say something like...there being plums in the icebox?

I agree that correspondence is common sense and that to bother with the redundancy theory that I'm defending is fussy. Indeed, the redundancy theory m...

Sure. 'Twenty different people agreed that the icebox was empty' might figure in an inference. The issue is (trying to say) what you saw in that icebo...

No. I agree that we that have reasons for making claims. Perhaps our sense organs are battered by the environment and we've been trained to make relia...

This is certainly a intuitive approach, but it's caught up in the first-person ghost story. One can't make inferences using spectral entities like 'pr...

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Do the thermostat or the electron have knowledge ? Is a differential response sufficient ? Isn't proposing and criticizing and defending theories of k...

Given that we're all pretty clever, I think it's largely a matter of clarifying what we even mean. Correspondence theory seems close to the redundancy...

I currently don't find the idea of a truth-maker very useful or intelligible. Obviously we can talk about reasons people believe P. That's different, ...

I'm just getting rowdy, mirroring you. I'm happy to tone it down. We all know that there's stuff in the world that's not language. That's common sense...

The broader idea is that we can say much more about warrant and belief than truth. We can talk endlessly about what causes beliefs and what beliefs ca...

No one does these days, I daresay. Oh dear.

Thank you, Polonius ! Do toilets flush ? Do cows go moo ? https://core100.columbia.edu/article/excerpt-don-quixote

Clearly this hinges on how we understand what it is to know. I'll do you one better. Does a thermostat know when it's hotter than 68 degrees ? Does an...

I currently take it as the honest theory...one that would rather not spout nonsense, bewitched by old metaphors... But maybe your intuition is a sure ...

Must there be ?

Nothing at all. The postulated truthmaker is either redundant or uselessly ineffable. What makes it correct to say that snow is white ? The 'actual' w...

That seems correct. Theories are underdetermined.

Cool example, which touches on the coherence norms of the 'I think' or 'I believe' that attaches implicitly to individuals' claims. We can see in this...

I don't think we are on the same page yet. For the moment, I'd say...don't try to analysis "P is true." Take it as a whole. I'm basically identifying ...

This is for anyone interested but seems especially relevant to my last responses to you two. One idea is that language is 'primordially' 'disclosive' ...

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