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I think they do capture mind-independent information though. When you see red, it is generally related to actual structure in the world that is being ...

But surely this is nothing to do with the reality outside our heads which is mind-independent, and only about our beliefs about the world and how we s...

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But would the fact that it can happen again be any different from the fact that it has happened for both you as well as me (it has happened "again" sp...

I think neither determinism nor randomness have anyrhing to do with free will; they are both equally conducive or non-conducive to it. The concept of ...

I feel like this kind of issue can still be talked about in the same kind of framework; for instance, Bayesian model selection where you are using Bay...

But surely, ignorance is directly related to probabilities. If an event has a probability of 1, you can predict it perfectly; if all the probabilities...

Then how are you supposed to update your ignorance when you encounter new evidence?

Aha, I think it was something I wrote but must have not posted because it was both too vague and complicated a thought, and distracting from some poin...

What I would say is seeing the same marks differently is more to do with a different engagement with the information extractable from those markings; ...

Yes, but what is different isn't the markings but your reactions to the markings. The duck-rabbit illusion that you give is an excellent example. My i...

Hmm, I don't really recognize that at all, I don't think.

Yes, but if you look at writing, you just see marks. You don't somehow see marks and the totality of its relations to other parts of the world. Those ...

Sure, but then I don't understand what the issue is. We have a whole range and breath of intellectual fields, sciences, arts, humanities that generate...

Sure, but there is no way to communicate about qualitative experiences in a way that is any different to what science, or any other intellectual field...

Whats the issue?

Completely agree, and partly why I have never really understood what Wayferer is trying to push with his perspective and what precisely he is saying i...

What else is it? Anything else about it does not come from the writing itself but context and relationships those markings have to other things, inclu...

So when is part 2?

So what is your solution in all this!!??

Thanks :up:

Which is just a pattern that I see; thats all I mean by image, without further distinctions or assumptions. They aren't mutually exclusive. You only k...

Any good references?

Well, I think its at least debatable. I don't think those joints are anywhere near mobile enough, imo. Well then the 2D image is how I am seeing a 3D ...

I wasn't intentionally implying anything at all here by the word "direct" tbh other than the fact that the sense comes from inside our bodies. Yes, yo...

They are different senses about different things, one from directly inside the body, the other from outside. I'm talking about what you see. Its a 2D ...

Well, yes it is 3D information in the sense that the objective world seems to be spatially 3D. I'm just saying that we can only navigate this visually...

Not the foggiest what you just said, I'm afraid!

Depends what is meant by "experience them in 3D" I guess. For me, 3D "experience" is nothing more than our ability to navigate and predict the 2D visu...

Yes I agree, there are gradations of intelligibility. I think the point is that nothing humans do is in principle unintelligible (in regular contexts)...

Because thats what all our sensory-motor states are and words (or word-use) are just a special case.

If we are good regulators then thats trivially what they are. The point being conveyed was that a good model can be entailed by any fashion in which a...

Maybe. What I was thinking about was the idea of attention - selecting parts of the outside world as more relevant than other parts. For me, this idea...

I like what @"Janus" says: We can attend to the world in different ways, paying more attention to certain aspects, configurations, things that seem re...

I think its more the fact that we cannot talk about truth without using sentences and words. The deflationary account then becomes a sufficient way of...

Why does it have to be so black and white? If you look at brains of animals you will see a continuum of complexity from insects up to humans, and the ...

What wouls you call it if you thought only one type of thing existed but there were innumerable number of them?

Some of this reminds me of the interesting view of Bayesian mechanics / Free energy principle. A framework for exploring thingness in a statistical se...

@"Banno" Well said :up:

I mean, any of the timescales regarding these kinds of debates are still going to be very long in general / will be long enough. I don't think anyones...

So how is it defined?

Take yourself and look at the genetic differences between you and your parents. Then their parents, then their parents, then their parents. Miniscule ...

Ironically, there are actually some fish that are more closely related to whales than they are to any other fish, genetically speaking.

I'm not necessarily trying to promote some kind of metaphysical permissivism (first time I have heard this phrase today actually) or any particular me...

I think it is ambiguous if you're willing to consider all animals that have ever existed. Fossil record doesn't say much. Whatever fossils we have of ...

I don't think you have quite got my example. If you consider every single mammalian individual that ever existed, you will not be able to identify dis...

I would also argue the possibility though that "concrete characteristics" are contingent on how the world happens to be, but if you look at how the wo...

But whatever cognitive or perceptual abilities an animal has is regardless of whether it has been trained to do something or not. The use of rewsrd is...

Depends what you mean I think. There are animal experiments that require them to learn rules where they have to attend to some perceptual dimensions (...

I think dogs probably are smart enough to learn tasks which require them to abstract out something like color to perform it.