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For all I know maybe this is the past. and then to come at it another way, the word 'present' carries with it, I think, the idea of past present futur...

So, we read this parable and think, I am the greyhound. Achieving my goal will only lead to confusion. Or I chase my goal and run in circles. But this...

Oh, it's you. Well first off, I did not mean that the organism of the person is disconnected from reality, I meant that their ideas about reality are ...

It seems like the implicit argument here would then conclude that we all have the same grip on reality. There are no differences. The man who thinks h...

it depends. I see one guy petting and training his dog and I see another guy petting nothing and actively training nothing in the same park. I suspect...

It would be hard to explore this in some important ways without actually trying to experience what the thread is focused on.

You misrepresented both yourself and me. You made statements like this..... Notice the difference? huh? So here you cherry pick a less absolute statem...

They took the time to say that they felt a certain positive thing. It's a gesture. The gesture back is to thank them. And it doesn't have to be taken ...

This is the first way you worded it. You worded it a bit differently the second time and it was less problematic that way, but still problematic. I th...

And I quoted your language, where you told us your understanding of reality. It's a cake and eat it too situation. You were describing what was possib...

I'm going to take a non-philosophical type response here and react more intuitively. This seems to me a very heady, hypothetical concern. One that cou...

So this sentence is not referring true reality, then?Nor this one. It seems like this is a claim to understanding reality, including the obvious reaso...

yes, I suppose part of the hope we each have is we get better at explaining and justifying things, calling out bs, and a verbal jujitsu in general. Co...

:smile: And for the record I am not an antinatalist. I would find it hard to say if I am a pessimist or optimist, certainly I am a blend. My philosoph...

First off when you wake up from dreaming, you get a wider context that includes the dreaming level. IOW you know what that was like and then you place...

If he is reasoning emotionally, then demonstate it. That would be a step or steps in his argument. What you are going in this thread is just labeling ...

You think what is appropriate? So, you are arguing that those emotions invalidate pessimism. This means that emotions can lead on to rational conclusi...

rg1) he presents arguments, so these must be defeated. If a specific argument depends on an emotion, then one can criticize that step in the argument,...

My apologies.

Sure. I am not saying that one should doubt them. Though you might be dreaming. But my point is not so much how one should act in the world or to crea...

Yes, I don't believe that to be the case. I mean, I agree with you. The consensus sure can be wrong. It could also hold for value judgments. If everyo...

It's mostly I am checking, not that I have a different opinion I want to argue for. evidence need not be binary. IOW you could have some information t...

That's what I meant and I would guess that as a consensus, we are. If we jump to certain metaphysical issues this might seem wrong, but when one reali...

Does a statement's being true lead to consensus? (IOW if there is consensus on something is it a better bet than average or on statements that there i...

So, there's a fifty percent chance that there's at least one God?

I never said anything about not considering it. I even said, though perhaps not to you that it has been an incredibly useful heuristic. I do not assum...

Right, I agree. Sure, given the sense that laws have been conceived in science it has become an oxymoron, but when discussing the issue, either raisin...

Right, it would be an assumption that laws hold for all time and in all places, rather than holding where and when we know they hold.

That people are martyrs (some people) proves that torturers cannot break people`? Cannot force them to give up information. That regardless of the tor...

OK, what does that have to do with one of my positions?

What???? It has nothing to do with what I wrote. Where have I argued that something is not real torture? (for exmaple) Of course what that ruler when ...

Hm, in the context of my long discussion of torture with Eugen, I had long emphasized that long periods of time, combinations of various kinds of tort...

There you go, that would be another posited-as-objective facet.I am not sure what you mean by the object being referred to. I was saying that what I j...

So your free will allows you to do things that do not fit your values and desires. That might be true, but it's not a freedom that offers me much. In ...

I would say instead of a reference point - not saying that's wrong, just noticed it wasn't how I thought - that their assertions meet some criteria. S...

If this is an assertion about epistemology...iow something in the family 'given the fact that we perceive in this manner and...(other reasons). then w...

Yes, I agree. One can have evidence, and there is evidence that laws have been around for a long time, with at least a great deal of consistancy, and ...

First it's not that someone would object, necessarily to the facty thingie, it's all the interpreted experiences of 'you doing that' and what it means...

As you might remember I am hardly a antinatalist, and I don't think I can be classed as a pessimist, but I am right with you in this thread. These guy...

You have to point out that it lacks justification beyond mood, or enough beyond mood. You may be right, but then if you are, it will show up in the we...

The 'apparantly leaves you a lot of swing room. I think your argument makes sense, if the building blocks and rules and so on can't be different in ot...

I don't think that's parsimony. It's just an assumption. There is no need to make the assumption that laws are eternal. We can work with what seem lik...

It might be on a subliminal level. But it's not an argument I make. It could simply be that life lucked out. The only universe that is happens to have...

Perhaps some people couch it as 'expected', for me Fine Tuning arguments entail that is not some potentially never would have happened little side eff...

I used to have a list of links. I'll do a little googling.... https://physicsworld.com/a/changes-spotted-in-fundamental-constant/ http://news.stanford...

There is evidence. Rupert Sheldrake has had this idea for a long time and recently there has been evidence found that contants and laws change, at lea...

There could be someone who disagrees with both of you.

Sure, some have. I don't think their tortures were likely to have been patient enough, not like the nice base the psychic driver experiments used in C...

Who uses it who is not determined? What wouldn't that person freely choose according to socio-biological desires? Do they freely choose to do things t...

Which was an aristotilian deity, outside the chain of being and some sort of pure intellect. I don't think we need either the implied dualism or this ...