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Maybe like this? This is probably what a Babylonian (500 BC) abacus looked like. This is where the number zero entered into the human intellectual sce...

Right, if we focus heavily on the ontology of abstract objects, we overlook the accompanying problem: what's the basis of our confidence in the other ...

No, it's that you're a reliable source for information about physics. Oh. So it's not really significant? Good to know. :grin: Thank you!

How do you apply that to these examples of the Fibonacci sequence? https://resources.cdn.yaclass.in/87382a2a-660a-4f9c-82fd-2f2853027e05/shutterstock4...

Right. That's along the lines of what I was saying. Although, that's just a gesture at explaining why math helps us predict events. It's when we take ...

So you're saying that math can be a community construction without necessarily arising from any activity involving the world. It's that what we call t...

I was thinking about things like the Fibonacci sequence. It shows up in a lot of places that have nothing to do with human consensus. There's somethin...

It would have to be the way collective intent interacts with the world, right?

https://i.imgur.com/AFY9TbI.jpeg megadog

I agree. I don't think mathematical platonism is supposed to be some big metaphysical statement. It's just reflecting our experience with math: that i...

Dude. Really?

Why do you think realism is the prevailing view in Phil of math? Why is it found to be a valuable perspective in spite of its drawbacks?

It's weird how accuracy appears to be a property of objects, but it's really coming from us. It's like the way redness is a property of roses, but it ...

I was talking about paintings. How the property of accuracy isn't about the painting so much as about us. I think we've covered the platonism angle as...

What kind of property is accuracy or truth? Like if we weren't around to say the painting is accurate, it wouldn't have that property. We magically ma...

I don't think you're just hanging around creating the world. The division between you and world arises from reflection on events. Less realism, more m...

What's the difference?

I read as much as I could about David Lewis and needed to go ahead and buy a collection of his papers in order to understand furher, but it was too ex...

Okey dokey. :smile:

I think you're the one who's equivocating. You're trying to jump back and forth between here and wV. When you're here, you admit that vibranium is an ...

Which part of the argument is wrong?

Let's call this world wV. 1. wV is a fictional world. 2. everything in wV is fictional. 3. fictional things are ideas 4. fictional vibranium is an ide...

My question is about the ontology of the world where magic exists and Santa is real. That whole thing is just a set of ideas, right?

Real planets and stars? Or fictional ones? By the way, I was going to buy one of David Lewis' books one time, but it was three figures, so I decided t...

How can you have actual, real, physical gold in a fictional world? That's like if I dream of a cat, I have an actual, real, physical cat in my dream. ...

You keep misunderstanding me. I'm not on a mission to blow up your viewpoint. I'm just exploring the ideas associated with it. You brought up possible...

If World X is just a fiction, then it wouldn't be a set of physical objects in spacetime, would it?

So what's the ontology of World X? Is it in another dimension?

Doesn't that mean World X is empty? A world is basically a set of propositions.

Okey dokey. :cool:

I wouldn't say accepting mathematical entities entails platonism. I would say that platonism best reflects the way we generally think about things lik...

Yes. Neither of these sentences has anything to do with Quine's argument, which has shaped the prevailing view in phil of math and phil of science. Ju...

The indispensability argument is about mathematical realism. I just wanted you to look at what Quine was saying, which is that if you deny platonism o...

Yeah, Quine is the inscrutability of reference guy, in the neighborhood of behaviorism.

You're basically saying Quine was an idiot.

I don't think you're bothering to look very deeply into this. I was just saying you should look into the consequences so you don't end up contradictin...

A proposition is the meaning of an uttered sentence. So this would be saying that the meaning of 2 is a prime number resides in the pixels on the scre...

I'm not sure how. Note the SEP article you cited says of this kind of conceptualism: "As we will see below, this view has serious problems and not ver...

You just let the meaning of the sentence be its truth conditions (per Davidson).

My view of truth is Nietzschean. You might want to look more closely at what the SEP said about conceptualism because I don't think you're describing ...

I guess the realist is thinking that engaging the world just automatically comes with assumptions, some of which aren't held in consciousness until th...

I'll have to go to youtube and find the audio.

Australian possums are cute. North American ones are ugly.. and mean.

It is. A truth realist believes there are truths which have never been uttered.

That's about verifiability. You're a truth skeptic in the sense that you don't think P is true until someone expresses P.

But this sentence wasn't true before you uttered it, right? That's truth anti-realism. A truth realist would say it was true before you said it.

You're sort of hardwired to try to preserve your own life. Adrenaline is your body's argument. What a number of philosophical people have done in the ...

This is a pretty cool truthbearer: https://youtu.be/fbn-tuYcScI?si=HEEzGLDbClpDSIIc

We can just go back to 1987. That actually would help American labor. I understand why you aren't concerned with that. You're a world away.

Per your view there aren't many truths in the present either.