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I've thought of the psyche as a kind of music. The nice thing about reading Plato is you get a perspective on the assumptions of your own time. Plato ...

Why don't you take the challenge of coming up with an answer? Get creative.

Oh, no problem, we were just getting more and more at crossed purposes.

exactly

Not according to Neil Gaiman. He says step one in creativity is to allow yourself to become bored.

So what I didn't make clear is that this is all me. It's my argument: that if my knowledge is recollection, then either there must be an infinite chai...

Eh, you're probably just bored.

You had asserted that the infinite backward chain makes knowledge impossible. Now you're just noting that Plato says the soul does learn. My gripe was...

What difference does it make?

Correct. Why? Why not an infinite chain of recollectors? I don't think so. It would just leave the conclusion without any support. Why do you keep cal...

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It's about Meno's paradox.

I don't think the infinite regress would make knowledge impossible. It's just that humans have only been around for a few million years. We'd have to ...

I don't think I have that certification. What agency takes care of that?

Once again, you're telling me what I told you. "Eternal" sometimes means atemporal. Are you familiar with that idea?

Just a tidbit: completely proper grammar gives you away as a non-native. Native speakers are usually slack. That's how it is with Spanish, anyway.

Read the whole introduction. I still think English isn't your first language. You're doing great, though.

Dammit, I just explained that. Why are you explaining it back to me? :joke: The alternate soul is atemporal. Out of time. Or like the anima mundi, imp...

Certified, buddy.

Wow. You really got snagged on that one.

That wasn't a cheap shot. I really thought English wasn't your first language.

That sounded better. So she lays out the conflict between finitists and set theory advocates and talks about how we might resolve the conflict. It see...

You're misunderstanding that passage. Is English not your first language?

Oh. You called it "her idea", so I misunderstood.

If you read that again, you'll see she's laying out an existing viewpoint. It's not hers. Read page 4 where she explains the problems that arise from ...

Where did she say that?

Did she say that?

In the introduction she maps out the intellectual landscape pretty straightforwardly. The whole book is good though (for lay people like me.)

You could rework it so it only seems like a chain to temporally bound beings. The soul is like a touchstone for multiple lives playing out. Anamnesis ...

Plato solves one problem and makes another. If your innate knowledge comes from a previous life, then either the chain of people is infinite, or there...

Yes. It's a contradiction. It might go the same way it came (per Mary Tiles).

I think this just implies that if Greene's spaceship was pimped out with an odometer, we wouldn't expect it to ever read "infinite.". It's always goin...

It would probably help if your audience was thoroughly stoned.

Okey dokey.

When does the Freedom of Info Act take effect? 25 years?

This is Kripke in a nutshell. Kripke demands that we pay attention to use. The rigid designator is like a tracking device stuck on a particular usage.

Because pissed off Saudis can't decide to fly planes into buildings all by themselves?

I should have said metal, not mineral. Yea, we're not really getting any closer.

Why necessarily? Couldn't the laws of the universe be different such that H20 is a mineral? This is the line of thought Kripke addresses.

Cool. I think @"Fooloso4" would enjoy that. I really enjoyed the N&N reading you and I did.

Yep. He's the best.

Goodness. The universe might be infinite, but you've got a size for it. So after crying like a big baby over bad physics, what did you do?

I'm assuming that in a simulation, much of the world is sort of like in superposition. Things become specifiable and tangible as you go. They could do...

Could be.

So you believe H20 is necessarily water?

We know the minimum size. Is that what you meant?

So we agree that sometimes "H20” means water and sometimes it doesn't. Right?

We don't have a size for the universe as you suggested. That's bad physics. Go ahead and triple down. :rofl:

So that's a minimum size, not the size. Maybe if you watched more YouTube videos you would avoid dumping big fat loads of bad physics on us.

I don't think so. You might mean the observable universe.