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:blush: :up: I'm glad you didn't wait. It's surging again.

Except for the defense part, all those things can be done by religion, right?

:cool: No worries. I remain a steadfast defender of the common man even tho up close and personal, he's actually pretty offensive.

Is that everyone does it a good argument for doing it? Could it be that everyone is eating tide pods? That's great. The world has left the US in the d...

I was looking for honesty. Don't tell people it's harmless. That's not how you build trust. Tell them the truth.

No. The question was about responsibility. Wendy Brown analyzes Neoliberalism from that angle.

True, but a lot of American hospitals are non-profit institutions. Here's a few of the bigger ones: 1. University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Presbyt...

Then why did you say it was harmless?

You're saying that per founding principles, the US govt doesn't fund healthcare. I would say that if you put more Jefferson in your mix, you'd see tha...

Neanderthals never built civilizations. Civilizations are the product of, and the means by which humans maintain advanced skillsets over time.

That's not true unfortunately. There are risks.

We aren't descended from Neanderthals (for the most part), but I take your point. We care for one another by nature.

Why is the state good? You could say states are natural and that health and goodness are equivalent. Healthy pine trees are good. Healthy states are g...

I think you agree with those who say state funded healthcare is a sign of civilization. I think the reason people think the alternative to state funde...

We're still not on the same page. Some of the early responses to the OP were 1. Most countries do it Which isn't true. Few countries provide 100% stat...

I've just been interested in Neoliberalism for a while now. I was just noting that the best argument for state funded healthcare would be rejected by ...

I worked today. I'm tired. Go to bed.

If you read the thread, you'll find that several people gave really thought provoking answers to the question.

They're killing dogs because they're scared shitless.

Uh huh.

So you have no interest in this topic?

Bottom line is that any kind of leftism that discounts the importance of states is in agreement with Neoliberalism for all practical purposes. To crea...

Stoicism does.

But they didn't mean the state should help the needy.

There is truth in Neoliberalism. That which grows naturally has grace and strength. Artificial societies are like Pakistan. Diverse crap shoved togeth...

Ok. As an answer to Neoliberalism, there's not much content there.

Ressentiment?

That's Neoliberalism. I understand it. I see how it took over the world. Leftism seems pretty puny to me by comparison. Your argument for state funded...

The neoliberal principle: "Hayekian neoliberalism is a moral-political project that aims to protect traditional hierarchies by negating the very idea ...

So state funded healthcare because the US sucks. I was looking for a principle. Don't leftists use those?

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China is a regional power. it's definitely a developed nation. Not true. They would be if they stayed home in the country. They have moved en masse to...

All true. But competition between hospitals also improves care. So a private/public combo?

I said "healthcare as we know it". That means x-rays and lasix. I work in ICU, so my view of healthcare may be a little skewed. Pretty much all of the...

China doesn't have universal healthcare. They're a hell of a lot bigger than we are.

Correct. I think this principle has no power at the moment because neoliberalism says fuck social stability. Just raid and move to the next one.

Why is the state in the best position to coordinate care? Imagine that we go back in time to the 1960s and delete the coordinated effort to undermine ...

So you don't have an answer other than ’because I'm in the middle of nowhere and I like the way we do it until our economy runs up on the rocks and we...

This is the same issue Isaac raised. I think that's more capitalism than the state, tho.

So far, I think the best answer was the nonmoral, non-leftist answer: because social stability is at stake.

There are and have been civilized states that didn't provide healthcare. Remember that healthcare as we know it emerged in the 20th Century, mostly af...

Does this say something about whether healthcare should be publicly or privately funded?

This is not a moral argument, but it's a good one. In fact, this argument was the primary reason for post war embedded liberalism.

Why?

It's not super apparent to me why it should work this way. Can't people litigate to receive compensation when they're victimized? Can't a govt agency ...

Get informed. You might want to understand better why China doesn't have universal healthcare and the social turmoil that has been associated with thi...

They were cannibals. :roll:

This is utter bullshit Sparky. China doesn't have universal healthcare.

I think you stretched that factor all out of shape. I brought it up just to show that many cultures have allowed citizens to suffer hunger. On what pr...

Well your boss exerts authority over you, but you're still responsible for yourself, right?