Existential Hope

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Sad folks experience happiness and happy folks experience sadness—it isn't always black and white. I wasn't referring to the pain experienced by exist...

The idea of being in hell can hurt more when one thinks about the good of heaven ;) I hope that more people can start being good to each other because...

Creating someone also creates kind and ethical people like you who care about others and want to make the world a better place. Bestowing benefits can...

I don't agree. Extreme harms are not experienced by most people. Additionally, there are also people, such as the monks who calmly sit whilst being on...

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I disagree. The fact that the "worst" isn't as likely along with the existence of ineffably beautiful experiences gives one a strong reason to not acc...

I would say that one should act according to their circumstances. Just because life can have immense value doesn't mean it is always present. One has ...

People are rational to varying degrees. They can certainly be rational in the context of what they do, but introspection is unfortunately rarer than i...

Of course, it isn't. :ok:

I already answered the question. If the risk is greater than the opportunity, I would not. If the opportunity is greater, I would. I was referring to ...

Many do, I think. Proper examination leads away from universal antinatalism.

That's not what I said. If the probabilities of a good outcome and an equally bad outcome are the same, one wouldn't really have a reason to choose on...

But the examined one is ;) Intellectual natalism—subtle as always!

"You're not pessimistic because you dislike suffering. You're pessimistic because you allow suffering to negate life." :up:

I don't think I did. If the chances for a positive outcome and the negative outcome are equal (and both have similar values), then I wouldn't (theoret...

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Because the satisfaction of simply being would be better than taking pointless risks ;) Ergo, not antinatalism!

1. https://youtu.be/ebaFnWA5-PY 2. https://youtu.be/KdS6ZTSPkFg Warning: It's not pleasant. Also, most moderate AN supporters don't agree with philoso...

Yes. We might believe a lot of things because they appear to be intuitive. However, they might not be necessarily. I don't see how an act that doesn't...

I am disputing that it can be disputed ;) Although, I suppose I could also add that someone is clearly being given a gift they could enjoy but were no...

Nobody is being forced to exist against their will. I think that this is an indisputable fact. Anybody who believes to the contrary should not have is...

Beyond the matrix: the sequel we never got :p Sounds pretty interesting, to be honest!

I think that the idea that nothingness cannot be preferable/undesirable for inexistent beings is simply too counterintuitive for many people. But if t...

There isn't a being who is being forced to exist when they had a desire to not to do. But if creation can be an imposition, it can also be a gift that...

Illusions can be strong. However, if there are consequences, they aren't just negative. Agressive pessimism that prevents the bestowal of cherished ex...

It's manifestly not an imposition (at least not always) when it doesn't go against the non-existent interests of anybody to avoid existence. If it can...

The greater the good, the worse it's loss feels (such as the shock that followed the tragedy in an otherwise peaceful Japan). Yet, even in this traged...

I don't think that an act that doesn't go against the interests of an existing person can be an imposition. But if it can be an imposition, then it ca...

Something isn't vain just because it eventually ends. Life can have immense value for those who exist while it lasts. Extreme thought experiments can ...

I suppose that the difference lies in living in a world wherein there is both happiness and suffering, and a world in which the positives exist mainly...

"We are still here and we are millions and we will get it right in the end." :up: :pray:

Too much of anything, even good things, can lead to terrible consequences. It's certainly a monumental decision. Whilst I agree that it can be a disas...

I had the CCC in mind when I said that! Irrespective of when things will end, there is a lot of good in the world that is, in my opinion, worth conser...

Agreed!

(Sorry @DA671) No worries, sir. The journey shall go on.

To be fair, from Schopenhauer1's point of view, he has had to put up with my optimistic irrationality for far too long as well! I would say that he ha...

No matter how small it seems, I think that there is always a will. Unfortunately, it can sometimes be impossible at a practical level to discover the ...

I think that I would be inclined to agree with you. I would only add that an action (or the lack thereof) could still have a positive/negative effect ...

I was agreeing with you that non-existent beings cannot be benefitted or harmed (presuming that is what you meant). However, if one thinks that it is ...

Perhaps. Yet, even if it's true, the future/potential positives are also worth thinking about—they always will be.

Can vs is—therein lies the real distinction. But those who care about one aspect of the former (suffering), cannot ignore the other (happiness).

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Forgiveness should be sought for inflicting harms. However, it can also be sought for removing/preventing all positives.

"An innocent person also deserves happiness and fulfillment, which the world offers, would you deny them this?" That's a good point.

I am not worthy or capable of having any adherents. Still, I think I would have to slightly disagree with my friend universeness on a couple of things...

There could be other things to consider, such as the impact an action could have on existing people. But yes, if preventing the positives isn't bad be...

Psychological pain can be quite severe. People have needs, but people also experience satisfaction that has significant value. The gulf between "will"...

I've seen other people make similar arguments. If an innocent person deserves to avoid suffering, they also deserve to experience happiness. Causing u...

I am grateful to you for your excessively kind words. However, as I have said before, I have a lot to learn. Nevertheless, I remain convinced that uni...