It would be a bit of a cliché to say this, but I think one should also remember that wealth does not always lead to happiness. Many of the happiest pe...
Indeed, it involves both risks and opportunities. There is a risk, but it can be justifiable due to the goods that can exist. That which does not hind...
That is why I used the word "risks"! Therein lies the balance. But the scales can tilt towards the light. Also, the joy derived from love and acquirin...
The possibility of irreversible harms should not blind us to the possibility of imperishable goods. If one cannot guarantee that the future would not ...
I think that creation can be justifiable. There are many people who live have inestimably valuable without the media covering them all. However, we do...
If one can say that it's wrong to procreate unless it's almost certain that the outcome would be positive, then one could create a similarly high stan...
It is (if creation has value/disvalue for the person). My point is that it isn't necessarily bad. We do know that most people do appear to appreciate ...
Indeed. However, would you say that there is a risk that we can start thinking about the community or the collective as this distinct being of sorts w...
That's only if one is focusing more on the risks and is ignoring the opportunities that could also exist. Once again, I don't think that one should re...
I fail to see why having an unreasonably high level of control should always have greater worth than bestowing indescribably good experiences. The ina...
I agree that trying to maximise the number of happy people like one is trying to achieve a high score in a video game seems a bit absurd. This is why ...
One can see that most people do seem to prefer their lives. Additionally, one doesn't know that the outcome would always (or even mostly) be negative....
Interestingly enough, negative utilitarians who only wish to reduce suffering might be forced to say that allowing a million people to suffer is good ...
The key thing is the well-being of the person, not the degree of control exercised by two people. Other people are also responsible for the happiness ...
My position, if true, would also mean that creating the positives would not be necessary in and of itself—something I do not like. However, I do not b...
I do not see how acknowledge in a complex reality is a "cop out". Actions that don't affect one's well-being cannot be better/worse for them. Still, I...
Not to mention that unnecessarily damaging the well-being of beings would still be wrong, even if the action would affect future people. If those peop...
I think that it's more likely that the action isn't good or bad due to the fact that it doesn't fulfill/go against the desire of any inexistent being ...
The beauty of bestowing a good that cannot be solicited without letting pessimistic biases affect one can be quite valuable. If an action can be "pate...
Lastly, I think that the millions and the grand can swap places in a subtle way depending upon the individual. Therein, I believe, lies the end of abs...
:clap: Deprivations are more but not total: Creation isn't ethical. One happy day doesn't erase every other bad experience. Satisfaction is more but n...
Lived experiences can often reveal a lot, which is why I believe that it isn't baffling that many rich people do not want children (though this slight...
The failure to reject arbitrarily high standards for one thing (the positives) whilst not accepting them when it comes to the other (the negatives) is...
I don't think that they were trying to be selfish. The argument was that if one didn't procreate, it wouldn't result in the existence of a person who ...
Happiness isn't defined by money (many of the happiest people I've met didn't have a lot) but ignorance does undoubtedly play a role in how we act. Re...
"I'm away to have a nice night of alcohol, fun, joy, happiness and good banter with friends. There will be a little suffering as well tomorrow morning...
One man's solution can be another man's problem. I support the right to find a dignified exit and ceasing thoughtless procreation but not the idea tha...
If people could find genuine value in their own wheels, it might help them understand why it can be beautiful for others. It's not guaranteed, of cour...
Sometimes, the pertinent question is whether or not a wheel can be made bigger and better by adding more components. One cannot do everything, yet the...
Certainly. Some would say that the void would be absolutely valueless, whilst others would say that it would be impersonally bad due to what could hav...
Indeed. I have argued against AN in this and other threads. I do not think that doing so solicits emphasising a certain fringe element. It might serve...
So do the positives ;) Absolute numbers would be difficult to ascertain, but I believe that everyday experience is adequate to tell us that for a nom-...
"I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence... I would rather have India resort to arms i...
Or merely a magical ability to explain in a coherent and convincing manner that too much pushing isn't in anybody's long-term interest. Still, it's tr...
Quite possible. But I will not give up—even on those who may have given up on everything. As long as there are good people in the world, hope for a be...
I mean, it's possible that not all do not care, but I still feel that a significant amount of them possess a lot of empathy. Also, many of them don't ...
The clips were actually uploaded by an antinatalist who is firmly against those extremists. I have had discussions with him and didn't find his imposi...
Thank you for your kind words. I should, however, mention that not all antinatalists say that they hate humanity. Many genuinely seem to care about ot...
Apologies for the late reply. I agree that there is a difference between the moderate supporters of AN and those in the video, but I have also seen pe...
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