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But is there a majority of MPs for either of those options? I don't reckon so at the moment. The official line of both main parties is against either ...

No, I'm talking about the fact that they won, not an "amorphous sense". But with that correction, yes, it's more important to honour the result, with ...

No, that's not what I'm saying. Of course they're not barred, and of course there'd be an option to leave, but they'd be penalised through no fault of...

You do realise that over 30 million people voted, right? And I actually think that it being a relatively close call would, in a sense, make it even wo...

A little off-topic, but who's worse, in your opinion: Jacob Reese-Mogg or Boris Johnson? It's a toughie, but I'm thinking Reese-Mogg.

Exactly.

Maybe you're right. I get the incentive for that, but I'm not convinced that it's the overriding incentive. I'd have to think on it, and maybe do some...

Yes, I'm aware of what has been said. It doesn't look like we're going to reach an agreement on this point. It seems that I'm more sceptical than you ...

I'm familiar with his key arguments, and I don't agree that they're anywhere near as plausible as materialism; which is why, in terms of adherents, Be...

What a pointless reply. Surely you can do better than that. What you've said doesn't engage anything I said. It doesn't even try. It just regurgitates...

You mean, if they meet your four criteria vs. if and only if they meet your four criteria? What's the relevant difference? Either way, each case would...

Not we, just you. I don't need to speak to anyone in a position of authority, or take any actions, in order to trigger a process whereby your ideas on...

Key point here. Let that sink in.

I mean your mention of a deal, when in fact there's only a draft withdrawal agreement. I mean your assumption that the negotiations are finished, just...

Right, and I'm saying that it can only be justified by going through the proper channels, not on a philosophy forum.

But that'd be on them for being too stupid to realise that the only guarantee under a leave vote is that we leave. The option on the ballot was to lea...

So, go ahead and cheat, so long you're careful enough not to violate all four of Baden's criteria. Got it. The results are only illegitimate if they m...

I agree.

So, let me get this straight. You're inventing a new policy for righting the wrongs committed in situations when an important vote is put to the elect...

If there are past cases with sufficiently similar circumstances, and if your argument here implies that this particular case should be treated differe...

Oh, come on. You shouldn't believe everything you read or see on TV. Firstly, it's not a deal, it's a draft withdrawal agreement. And secondly, it sui...

A cancellation should be a last minute option if all else fails. We're not there yet.

Rerunning the process wouldn't be fair to begin with! So your talk about how that could be done is for the birds. The real cheating would be against a...

And other results. Hmm... what to do about that, eh? Still no answers forthcoming from you, I see. And I already linked to one other case of overspend...

Funny. I don't recall you saying anything like that when I've raised that objection, yet you give him credit. I'll take that as indirect praise. Thank...

Then stop hiding behind the Brexit debate and tell me how you would make your proposal here work fairly, in light of similar past cases.

At best, it was very misleading, which isn't much better. Permissible in terms of the law, but nevertheless condemnable.

Yes! It would do that and more.

Yes, that's true. People ought to stop making it out to be more than it is, bringing it up alongside actual campaign violations, as though they're eve...

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We know that leave won, which should limit our options. So it's deal or no deal, and the majority want a deal. The problem is that the negotiations se...

Although I recognise the problems you raise, you can know what something means without knowing the finer details or the consequences. The electorate u...

When it's confirmed that there's no plan B - which is something for which we'll have to wait and see, since what is said whilst talks are still ongoin...

No, I don't think that it's in the least bit odd to be subjected to a charge of inconsistency in any debate on this forum. And the relevance is that i...

Tired propaganda?! What are you on about? I answered your question, it just obviously went over your head. The answer to your last question was yes, I...

It's not completely lost. The damage can manifest itself in terms of low turnouts, protest votes, protests, and in extreme cases, riots. If the system...

But, irrespective of my answer to that question, the fact of the matter is that Leave won the referendum. So we're not starting from scratch here. As ...

But that seems like an inconsistent and opportunistic position, as you aren't piping up about other elections or referenda which succumbed to similar ...

It seems slight in percentage, but in actual numbers, over 1.2 million (source) more people voted to leave. And that seems more significant to me. I w...

But think about the metrics that Trump scored low in. Women and minorities constitute a very significant portion of the electorate. And he had little ...

If Bernie or Michelle went for it, I reckon they'd stand a good chance.

But that's comparing an unpopular worst case scenario of Brexit to cancelling Brexit. I'd wager that the consequences of a soft Brexit which meets mos...

I don't know. There are pros and cons. I like the idea of self-determination in the form of a referendum put to the electorate of a nation on certain ...

My take on it is that it probably has something to do with an anti-establishment sentiment, a feeling of not being listened to, with charismatic, outs...

I find it more worrying than saddening. And I really don't see much of a problem with immigration, to be honest. Why would I? It's a net benefit, econ...

I expect so, yes. More so under the Tories. Theresa May has said that the focus will be on high-skilled workers.

Is it not ultimately the responsibility of voters to do their own research before such an important vote, and to make up their own mind? Is it not the...

For the most part, yes.

That wouldn't have been such an issue, in my opinion, if the government and the official leave campaign, had (1) been better prepared, and (2) been mo...

Pretty spot on, I'd say. The phrase often bandied around is "taking back control". Of our borders, our laws, our agriculture, our fisheries, our abili...