TheMadFool

Thanks for posting the video. It's very interesting. However, it doesn't say much. A normal distribution is just a discovery that when studying large ...

To give a simple example take the speed of light (a constant) which is approximately 186,000 miles per second (also called c). This is one value from ...

Do you perceive chaos in G = (m1*m2)/r^2? Or in E = mc^2? No, no. All I want to demonstrate is the logical error an atheist commits by refuting the ar...

In my humble opinion, both atheism and theism suffer from a certainty that is nonexistent in their arguments. All that there is is a possibility which...

For me nothing is pure, unfettered potential. The infinite possibilities it represents is awe-inspiring. From depressed viruses to clownish Gods - any...

Yes, this is the alternative everyone talks about. I think I won't be too off the mark if I say that you think the universe arose out of chance. In sh...

What's the alternative here? What other source of order do you see?

Thanks for bringing a different perspective to the discussion. A few clarifications (it's already there in the OP). 1. I don't want to discuss the tho...

Question begging. This is the issue we're uncertain of. The infinite regress. Can you tell me exactly why this is a problem for God's existence?

The presence of patterns - qualitative and quantitative. Because the fine-tuning argument is stronger and clearly shows that the universe is designed ...

Isn't that a tautology? Nature is order. We're asking why? My OP is clear on that. To repeat, a tidy room is associated with an agency. So, an ordered...

A messy room has alternative possibilities e.g. a strong wind, an earthquake, etc. but a clean and tidy room is strongly associated with an agency.

The infinte regress. Can you tell me exactly why this is a problem for the existence of a God?

The laws of nature? That doesn't matter. I'm not concerned about the consequences of the design is for humans, life. All I'm interested in is the unde...

Show me how the premise is false.

Ok. What do you think is the source of order in this universe - these so-called laws of nature?

Ok. What do you think is the source of the order we see in this universe - these so-called laws of nature?

We infer a maker from a watch, according to you, based on knowledge of what they are and how they're made. What of this ''what they're made and how th...

Whatever these other attributes are, all must have some form of organization (order) for it to be relevant. If there's no order, there's no relevance....

But, as I said, it's only the presence of ''order'' in the room that has any relevance to the inference. It's not the color of the wall, the shape of ...

Also, you're issue with the design argument is colored with anthropomorphism. You reject the design argument by citing examples, which are true, of th...

How so? :D You're joking right?

You're right. The argument has an inductive version viz. the one you presented. I wouldn't be wrong in saying atheists attribute greater credibility t...

So, is exposing double standards a logical fallacy?

They fail to address my point. Why is the exact same form of reasoning correct, acceptable in one case and not in the other. Argument A If the room is...

I deny all of the above. I'm just curious why atheists would deny a well-established rational inference in the real world when it's applied to the uni...

You've raised a pertinent issue here. Your logic is, well, correct. There's a fallacy in inferring an all from some. It's deductively invalid. However...

From scratch.

Patriotism is a dying concept. In the context of globalization the idea of a nation, necessary for the sentiment of patriotism to make sense, is fadin...

Nothing makes sense. Something is wrong.

Isn't it quite similar to the design argument? I chose the argument from design because its refutation goes against a generally accepted rationalizati...

I haven't said anything that isn't common knowledge. How's it loaded?

Yes someone. It's a natural inference shaped by experience and knowledge. However when we apply the same to the universe (inferring a God), atheists h...

Let me ask you a simple question. What inference do you draw from a clean room?

Sorry but I still don''t get it.

Now I get it. You mean to say that without some foreknowledge of what a watch is it's not possible/natural to infer a maker. It appears to make sense ...

Good point. But a magnet needs to be applied in the right way for order to emerge. Who(?) does that but a conscious being?

Both yes and no.

Watch: a small timepiece worn typically on a strap on one's wrist. Please use the above Google definition of ''watch''. Person or not-person?

LoL Fine, let me ask another question (relevant). What other cause do you have in mind when you see the universe working like clockwork?

Forget the room. You see a watch on the table. Person or not-person?

I understand entropy as a measure of ''disorder'', so I don't umderstand how a tidy room has lower entropy while a ordered umiverse has higher entropy...

How do you define order then?

What crosses your mind when you see a clean room? Person or not-person?

Possible.

An untidy room can be caused by chaotic causes e.g. a strong wind, earthquake, etc. However, a tidy room can only be caused by a person.

Can you give me a reason why order is insufficient reason to deduce the existence of God?

Well, as I admitted, my definition diminishes the value of the argument. Nonetheless you'll not deny that a creator of the universe certainly at a dif...

So, according to you, a clean room is insufficient evidence for the existence of an agency that did the cleaning. That means you think it's possible f...

Why do you say that? If you happen to find a watch on a path and observe its finely crafted machinery and then infer that it was made by chance, that ...