Yes, they do propaganda and we do propaganda too. Theirs is often outlandish and laughable and I've pointed that out at the start of the thread. Ours ...
Except... Bonus side: Propagandists and cheerleaders vs The Ukraninan people: Think I'll go for the Ukraninan people rather than the armchair fanboys ...
Taking sides: NATO vs the Ukranian people: I'll go for the Ukranian people rather than the organization who helped get them attacked and is now standi...
That may very well be true. Russian organizational structure means Russian generals need to lead from the front, putting them right in the firing line...
Update on the Russian mutiny propaganda story. The Guardian runs with it but half-heartedly as it seems to smell the bullshit all over it. https://www...
Of course they're going to lie about their casualties and the civilians they killed and just about everything else. That's what the military does. Tha...
Yeah, I know it's a few weeks old. He has one he did today actually, but it's much more finance orientated. He's still of the same view though that Ru...
Have you asked yourself what's not reported in the Western media? Or considered the difference between a bunch of facts or half facts and how they are...
No, I didn't accuse you of propganda for expressing horror at what's happening. I have several times expressed horror at what's happening. I said the ...
@"Wayfarer" You seem to be conflating moral judgements with military analysis, which is just going to complete confuse you and everyone else who tries...
It's just a poorly chosen metaphor seeing as I'd much prefer if Putin lost. Ask me how soon. Yesterday. I'm not a fantasist though. I follow where the...
Regardless of your qualifications, that is absolutely not consistent with: Success for Russia is achieving their objectives. If, hypothetically, their...
Yes, and how do you square this with Russia being the big loser of this war. When I post this kind of stuff it's to demonstrate how badly Ukraine is l...
If you don't believe in relevant reasoning or evidence re making a judgement on military success or failure. For example, if you have no interest in l...
You got called out by me for basically copypastaing a Biden speech. Many of us have condemned the invasion as absolutely unjustified. That's a differe...
Good example of propaganda here: In this case through what looks like intentionally shoddy reporting of a dubious and unconfirmed event. "Russian comm...
We have no problem telling people when faced with a mugger, 'just give them your wallet and walk away, don't be a hero'. Stakes are much higher here b...
Goalposts shifted. Yes, people are entitled to an opinion and people are entitled to opinions about opinions. It's opinions, goalposts, and cheerleade...
'Propaganda' is another misunderstood word. Just using the passive voice can make the perpetrator disappear. '10 children died in Iraq today' v 'Russi...
I never claimed you were cheerleading, @"RogueAI" was though in my view. Again, read the last few pages. And my objection is that this is an attitude ...
He was just joking, man. :lol: Just read the David and Goliath stuff from the last page for a start. I'm not going to be your English instructor any m...
First, do you know what 'cheerleading' means in this context? You don't have a good record on understanding what posters are saying. So, let me know w...
I'm reminded of when you cluelessly accused me of not knowing English. Anyway, what's nasty is referring to a war like it's a cliche scene from a movi...
When the whole country looks like that, the cheerleaders here might actually get bored and change their mind, moving on to the next shiny object to ge...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/24/how-russia-is-using-tactics-from-the-syrian-playbook-in-ukraine “The important lesson from Syria is when...
Similarly, the impression I get is some here get the same type of pleasure out of this they get out of rooting for the underdog at a football game and...
Russia hasn't demanded Zelensky step down and that a Putin puppet be installed as far as I know. But if you're fighting a losing battle then, yes, you...
If someone can't come up with even one thing they're being told about this war from their own side that is more propaganda/spin than truth then they'r...
I am sorry, gentlemen, but the rot is deep. If we ever want to be of help to anyone, the first responsibility is a cool and detached look at reality. ...
If our propaganda is utterly invisible to you and you think it's the 'truth' then you're just a tool. For a start, the spin that Russia is getting 'ma...
You mean achieving aims, which it would have settled for before the war is a complete disaster for it and a victory for the Ukraine who now can't even...
I don't expect them to keep doing the same things. I expect them to adjust strategy to reduce their losses. Yes, and no one has answered my question. ...
The overarching basic aims of the invasion are as follows. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589 "Russia is ... aiming for a neutral Ukraine....
It depends on how you define that. I'm firmly on the side of the victims here, i.e. the Ukranians. I just have different ideas about how their long te...
Lot of strawmen and red herrings there. It can be a disaster on some metrics for either or both parties. What's relevant to Putin are his strategic go...
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