John Days

I don't think religion is relevant here. Christianity contains examples of why unconditional love is not a real thing, (and probably the best examples...

Yeah... https://youtu.be/-yUafzOXHPE?t=30

I'm not sure what you mean here. Would you mind clarifying? Agreed. It's a strange world. People risk their lives for materialism every day. It's ofte...

This is a weird argument. Unconditional literally means without condition. All you have to do is look at what the words actually mean.

Is the condition you're using to define what this love is. If this condition is not met, then the love is not unconditional. You will run into this co...

This is probably the worst (and most popular) abuse of the unconditional love doctrine, where God becomes the bad guy if he places conditions and expe...

In some rural areas of African countries, it is said that no electricity = no TV at night = boredom = activities which lead to kids.

When is an atheist all dressed up with nowhere to go?

I don't see any problem with your formatting. And, welcome to the forum. I'm fairly new, myself. Or some illumination. :) I was thinking along the sam...

Sure, but unconditional is hardly subtle; it's pretty easy to disprove. All you have to do is try to define what unconditional love is and conditions ...

Yes, except the intention is hidden behind the contradiction of the word. They want to appear tolerant, but deep down they still judge and apply condi...

I talked to a guy who said he was ready to marry his soul-mate, whom he never met in person, but they sure could talk for hours on the phone without g...

Yes, exactly. Doesn't that make sense? If you say it is unconditional, and then use conditions to define what is it, then where's the problem in my ar...

You call it a legality. I call it progress that you're willing to even go that far. :)

Then there is no point in saying it is unconditional. Some people want words to mean what they mean.

I don't think so. Worth is a concept for mature people who recognize that it is not meant to tear others down, but rather to recognize the difference ...

Good point. Unconditional love would suggest there is no such thing an an unhealthy relationship, because unhealthy is a condition which separates its...

Yeah, of course we should care what the words we use mean. Otherwise, what's the point of debate?

Is a condition. If the condition is not met, you will say it is not unconditional. It makes no sense.

It doesn't mean anything; well, not any rational thing. That's the point; because it is a paradox, it can mean whatever people want it to mean accordi...

Exactly right. If your love really was without condition, then you would do what they ask. What I am suggesting is that we stop referring to love as b...

It's a color. As part of the spectrum of light, it can have both properties of matter and energy. Nah, just google it, "What is light". That we've agr...

Which is the contradiction. If there are no conditions to the love, then there would be no reason to refuse their requests.

This is probably the closest thing to what adding unconditionally is actually meant to achieve; exaggeration. The question is, why do people feel a ne...

Is a condition. EDIT: I realized that I misunderstood something you said here. The only condition in what you've listed above which I talked about was...

I really like the way you've worded this part of the sentence, and I believe this is exactly why adding "unconditional" into the mix actually takes aw...

I don't remember you saying that unconditional love is only symbolic. Can you elaborate on what you mean by symbolic? What is it a symbol of?

I get what you mean, but whether or not the father knows for 100% that the child is his or not is beside the point. His behavior toward the child is w...

Good question. What separates love from something like indifference or manipulation? Several people here have already suggested that love does not dem...

That's not a fact at all. And it would probably be better not to speak on behalf of all humanity in this area. You can't understand the wood of it. I ...

Excellent point. Romantic love can feel so extremely powerful, which is why it is so popular in movies, books, music etc. It sells, and it sells BIG, ...

You're still talking about an emotional kind of love rather than behavioral love. Of course we choose who we love. If a man tells his wife, "Sorry tha...

The issue was never about whether someone is able to experience altruistic love (i.e. the kind which works even if there is no payment or reward). The...

This is a really good example, and the obvious answer is that no, unconditional acceptance is not a good thing. There's no person here who could hones...

Nah. They can express love which does not expect any kind of payment in return, but that is still a condition for what makes this love what it is. If ...

Exactly. There is an "if, then" statement which separates unconditional love from non-unconditional love, therefore rendering the concept of unconditi...

Even IF those are not the kind of conditions unconditional love means in the context, the point is that there is SOME condition which is used to defin...

But we can prove contradictions. Unconditional love cannot possibly exist, because any attempt to define what it is will be based on conditions.

Exactly. We say the love is unconditional, yet we define it with conditions. Maybe it is just semantics, but if that's so, why the insistence on the c...

I'm practically begging for reasons.

I actually listed a few example conditions in the same post from which you quoted me. Maybe tomorrow, when you feel more rested, you'll feel more agre...

The first condition is that they must be YOUR children. Which is a condition defining what you like. A statement which makes no sense in terms of love...

Actually, I strongly believe that love cannot be love without justice or righteousness, so it may be that our disagreement is based on a misunderstand...

It may be that we are talking past one another. I'm suggesting that conditions cannot be separated from the concept of what love is. As soon as you tr...

The first condition is that it has no conditions. This isn't hard.

Well, this situation is easily testable. If someone gives expecting something in return, will you say this is unconditional love? Of course you will n...

Which is a condition.

Which rationally contradicts anything you say afterward about how love can be unconditional. I think this illustrates my original point; unconditional...

Still a condition.

sorry, but this just sounds like word-salad now. You literally said, " that's a condition of the love being unconditional" How can it be unconditional...