Antinatalist

You got a point there, I have to admit. However, those are decisions that people make after the child is already born. It is a different kind of scena...

I will borrow my text from other thread. It can be further argued that what we call non-life is in fact not that: it is possible that before turning i...

Maybe we are speaking about different things. By ´forcing´ in this particular point I mean reproduction. I thought it was quite clear.

Maybe so, but those fulfilling sufferings need to be taken by a person´s own free will, not after someone is forcing her/him to the "game" of life.

That means that those possible future children will be treated as a means, not as an end itself. That is wrong.

We can force people to fight in wars they didn´t start (and to die there). But however, I don't consider it realistic that there would be a law agains...

I believe that Schopenhauer1 has something to say about this "waste it on griping". But I agree with that, people here living on this globe could redu...

Even if you were right, that things will get better and there would be more collaboration among humans, we don´t need those things in the first place ...

I wouldn't call that naive. In human history, just the encounter of two tribes has often led to irrational violence. That is so sad. And now there are...

Okay, I didn´t get it at first.

Some things that are considered bad things at first glance are often considered later otherwise, when the situation is different and we/me/somebody ca...

Allright, I try not to be. Yes. I have to agree.

What is this state of non-existence that you value higher than being? And in what way is it more valuable in this non-state? What you seem to be refer...

I believe that "being" who does not exist, does not suffer. But that is not the only reason for my antinatalism. The other one is this; when you repro...

Some do, I agree. I will borrow my text from another thread: The possibility of suicide of course exists. Once born, however, a human being is highly ...

The last posts of schopenhauer1-Possibility -debate reminds me that "Go then kill yourself" -attitude. And same time these people (I´m not saying Poss...

Thank you for the information.

That is possible, even highly possible, perhaps.

I briefly checked how many threads you have started in this forum, seems not so lazy. Of course "laziness" on philosophy forum, on work, hobbies is a ...

If you have read my original text, you already know that I don´t want you - or anybody - to have children. You don´t care. Most people don´t. It seems...

In most countries, I think, drunk driving is illegal. Law and moral are two different things. On my personal moral I consider all those three things w...

That does not make antinatalism useless. People are going to have children, going to drive drunk, going to kill people and so on. I know.

Of course they are! But they are not the ones who could prevent the realization of risks (no one can); and those - at least some - fall for the child....

My point is that because having a child is a decision of someone else´s life, and those risks will fall to the child, who can not be a part of the dec...

I think you are at the essence, in the pure core, of what are persons obligations, rights - and what are not.

I have to agree. Procreation is something people normally can not (or maybe they could, but they would not) consider rationally. It is something given...

I highly respect people who adopt children. But I don´t have that kind of relationship, that adoption will be realistic. And my economic situation is ...

I thought in early nineties the problem of procreation. And the basic principles, what I have presented here, were already in my thinking. I decided n...

I agree that pain can be useful and sometimes essential in life, and pleasure can be useless/detrimental. So, it is necessary to define how I use ´pai...

I will answer you the same way I answered to ´I like sushi´. I don´t think that even the most extreme pro-mortalist will kill another human beings. I ...

I agree with the previous sentence. As a matter of fact being alive can be wrong - but that is not the view I present. Some people do, and they may ma...

No, it does not justify in itself, and I´m not saying that is an argument. I have mentioned reasons for my argument before so I didn't like to rephras...

I wrote on my original text: "Let us assume that an adult human being seems to outsiders in their right minds to be willing to die and to clearly and ...

Yes, I have to check your previous threads.

I´m an antinatalist, not pro-mortalist. And even when I live happy, enjoyable life, I don´t think I have right to reproduce. Am I happy or not, is irr...

I wrote in my original text: "However, I accept a point of view that for some human being life could be a better option than non-being. But we could n...

I will answer more completely a little bit later, but I ask you one question. Do you think is more ethical to have a child than give euthanasia for so...

I´ve referred before to Le Guin´s The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ones_Who_Walk_Away_from_Omelas). I think Dosto...

Dostoevsky and Ursula K. Le Guin have addressed this issue, and I think they both have great point in their texts. Alright.

I will quote David Benatar: "Benatar argues that bringing someone into existence generates both good and bad experiences, pain and pleasure, whereas n...

I agree with David Benatar with his asymmetry argument. If not having a child will prevent some good to happen for the child, it is neutral. It is not...

No, we can not know the potential kid´s answer. Therefore, because the consent is missing - and the stakes are so high, another human´s whole life - w...

I care about peoples´ suffering. I wrote you one post, where I touched the problems of mankind. Wars, genocide, famine, sexual abuse, other violence e...

My point is that parents perspective is irrelevant in this case, because the possibly upcoming child is who is the one, whose life the decision is mad...

I try to not use people purely as a mean. Having a child - at least, when its main purpose is to bring happiness for parents lifes - is an example of ...

Of course suffering belongs to life, and some suffering may prevent some bigger suffering. My point is, that when there is no one who has to born, the...

That is just an absurd statement. Like I said before in one earlier post for someone else, if you look the act of having a child only at parent's pers...

Yes.

Yes, I want human race to disappear. By voluntary choice. Not very realistic that this will happen in near future, but I think that way. I have touche...

I will try to clarify my view for you. My main reason for my antinatalistic view is few post above, so I don´t repeat it here. A different kind of per...