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I don't think the quotation explains his reluctance to support political activism, I don't think it affirms that he was an ontological antirealist, an...

I don't know what to say about all that MU. Your notion of concepts and objects seems incommensurable with mine, such that we're talking past each oth...

Looks good. So making it analytic basically involves saying the same thing but without the rhetorical flourishes and excessive Latinate verbiage? :win...

So that leads me to frame Adorno's project in the following way. Real things don't quite fit our mental categories, but we cannot just deal with this ...

Yes, I just took a first stab at making it apparent. But if you're looking for a refutation of idealism in Adorno you might be disappointed. But consi...

:up: But I'm giving Adorno the benefit of the doubt at this stage.

It's brilliant, but I definitely wouldn't call it an introduction. It traces Adorno's thinking through his interactions with Walter Benjamin, Lukacs, ...

I did the version at anesi.com: Apparently when it gets above 4.5 is when you begin to give off authoritarian vibes, above 5.5 and you’re pretty much ...

In my opinion, which I believe I share with Adorno, when we talk about society we are not talking about a concept, therefore “society” doesn’t refer t...

Yes and no.

Well, he does immediately give the prime example he has in mind of what "the object" is: antagonistic society. And despite our worries about formal lo...

We're reading the lectures at the moment, haven't got to ND itself. In lecture 1: In the notes for the lecture it's laid out like this: On the face of...

Even them, I think. I don’t know off the top of my head.

:up: :strong:

Thank you, I’m glad to hear it. I just hope I can maintain the energy.

I suppose you’re right. But then, Adorno was pretty much saying that every philosopher had imposed their concepts extinguishingly on the world.

Yes indeed. The issue for me has always been to decide whether, when Adorno and Zizek and Marx come out with their arresting paradoxes, it’s just the ...

I think this fits with my understanding. And it’s not a rejection of identity as used by logicians so much as an accusation that predication is tantam...

Yes, but note that Adorno thinks the role of philosophy is to make that intellectual effort after all, only without extinguishing the complexity, diff...

Nicely put!

This will be a crazy simplification, but I always find within myself an impatient desire to deal with this topic once and for all, as if I have a sens...

LND, Lecture 1 (continued) I hope nobody minds these mini-essays; they help me to get to grips with the reading, and I hope to respond to others later...

That might be a big topic! I might say something about it tomorrow.

I see what you mean, good point :up: I’m just going to have to remember to compare translations or check the original when we get stuck.

No, and please, no more of these frankisms (random questions with mysterious hidden motivations).

I’m still a bit confused about that too. I think it’s because he kind of rushes through it impatiently. But maybe we are just getting hung up on somet...

Yes, and some would accuse Adorno of misinterpreting Hegel at this juncture. Yes, point taken, but we’re talking about lecture 1, where he makes out l...

But contradictions are absolutely central, and he emphasizes that he doesn’t just mean discrepancies (nor, we can assume, does he just mean tensions, ...

Yeah it’s interestingly odd that he openly states that a motif — maybe we can say a theme — of his philosophy is working out why he hates synthesis so...

Your interpretations look good to me MU. That's quite interesting. I forgot to go back to Plato when I was describing dialectics. When I last read the...

Thank you for your contribution, Number. I'm not sure how to answer until I know more, and I'm not familiar with Žižek's critique. My suspicion is tha...

I baked it already! https://i.postimg.cc/7Z5pkLfp/smallcake.jpg

Actually, when applied to the baking of cakes, the subjunctive indicates it won't happen since you are too lazy to do it. Happy birthday young, but ol...

That’s suitably dialectical, and agreeable.

I think I see what you mean. Adorno doesn’t like idealism because it’s too arrogant, presuming an identity between subject and object, not because he ...

I'd be interested to see others' thoughts on the objection that Adorno attempts to respond to: Why must everything be a matter of contradictions? In m...

I think I concur with your gist, but... Marx, Adorno, Zizek, Malabou, Pippin and Brandom seem to have been able to go through that "oh shit!" moment w...

We start with the Lectures on Negative Dialectics (LND), which is based on recordings of Adorno's lectures in 1965-66, just after he'd completed the s...

Tim means the members of TPF, The Philosophy Forum, and has for reasons known only to himself chosen to be difficult and weird. Don’t take it personal...

Starting there is ok with me. BTW I haven't studied Hegel, and some might think it's mad to tackle this without doing Hegel first, but I'm not massive...

Useful as preparation — or we could even start with it — is Lectures on Negative Dialectics: Fragments of a Lecture Course 1965/1966. His lectures are...

Minima Moralia is too aphoristic for a reading group, IMO

Yeah I will/would start a thread. I'm thinking Negative Dialectics, specifically the non-official but apparently only decent English translation by De...

I'm up for it and I'm in the mood.

To me, it had something real from the first moment I saw it. So yeah, I think you've been irrevocably tainted by your exposure to AI. There's no going...

I'd be up for a TPF reading group. But I reckon nobody else would be interested.

:pray:

Yeah, me too, and that's pretty much what his Negative Dialectics is about so that's what I'm aiming for at the moment.

https://i.postimg.cc/XYyL2HxF/leg-in-the-air-parthenon-by-edgard-alsteens-used-on-a-v0-w1xwyk8ejav91.jpg A great photograph of the Parthenon, possibly...

Thanks; I'm glad I'm not crazy. But again I want to say that it's not conservatism: Adorno castigates capitalism at every opportunity. So it's somethi...