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Climate change tipping points: blue ocean event (BOE)

frank September 19, 2020 at 00:57 7050 views 17 comments Science and Technology
This video presents a fair description of an issue on the of cusp of unsettled science:



One nice thing about this guy is that he doesn't propose to be a scientist. He makes it clear that he's struggling along with the rest of us to understand current research. And when you find a rebuttal to his video, it's likely that you'll find that some portions of the opposing view are also wrong. We'll just have to wait until things become clear.




Comments (17)

frank September 19, 2020 at 00:59 ¶ #453553
Changeling September 19, 2020 at 02:37 ¶ #453572
Thanks for the channel recommendation, I subscribed.

Have you seen this one:
JerseyFlight September 19, 2020 at 04:08 ¶ #453585
Reply to frank
Thanks for sharing. Very objective and calm presentation. Disturbing to see how thin the arctic ice shelf was measured in 2020.
frank September 19, 2020 at 11:19 ¶ #453672
Reply to Professor Death I havent seen that one yet. It looks good.

Reply to JerseyFlight :up:
frank September 20, 2020 at 00:18 ¶ #453881
The NY Times (behind paywall) says Californians are now having trouble getting fire insurance. Eventually residents down the east coast won't be able to get flood insurance.

So the migration begins. Attempts to quantify the number of people impacted by a 1.5 degree increase in mean global temp seems futile now, but I imagine it was just a gesture.

For now the destination will be inward and northward.
JerseyFlight September 20, 2020 at 00:25 ¶ #453884
Reply to frank

The thing about denial is that it's meant to counter psychological fear, so we will likely see it hold on to the tune of all kinds of fantastic narratives, even in the face of desperate conditions. The real question, as Nietzsche knew so well, is how does one live among (and as) such an incompetent and primitive species?
frank September 20, 2020 at 00:36 ¶ #453888
Reply to JerseyFlight I think some denial comes from a lack of trust. That's mentioned in the fact-checker site I posted in my second post. When CC advocates stray from the truth (as the British guy shown in the OP does occasionally), the effect can be counter productive.

I very much agree with what you say about Nietzsche. But: amor fati. Do you think about that?
JerseyFlight September 20, 2020 at 00:37 ¶ #453889
Quoting frank
amor fati


too romantic for my nature.
frank September 20, 2020 at 00:38 ¶ #453891
Reply to JerseyFlight Are you a nihilist?
JerseyFlight September 20, 2020 at 00:38 ¶ #453892
Reply to frank

not at all.
frank September 20, 2020 at 00:40 ¶ #453893
Reply to JerseyFlight What purpose do you see in life?
JerseyFlight September 20, 2020 at 00:43 ¶ #453895
Quoting frank
What purpose do you see in life?


I believe we can do better than this. Here the question doesn't escape subjectivity. I believe we can talk about purpose beyond the mere subjectivity of the individual, but am not going to do it in a thread on climate change.
frank September 20, 2020 at 00:45 ¶ #453896
Reply to JerseyFlight Hey, you brought in Nietzsche. :razz:

But I understand. Thanks.
JerseyFlight September 20, 2020 at 00:53 ¶ #453900
Quoting frank
But I understand. Thanks.


My position is quite developed here. I have sought out a debate with several prominent theists on the topic of Nihilism. The reason is because 1) I have formulated what I believe to be a strong position against it and 2) I want this position to be challenged by the strongest Nihilists we have in culture, and that means Christians. Needless to say, I was not surprised when the Christians I approached turned down the offer in what appeared to me as evasion. I have had many discourses with Christian professors over the years, and in nearly every case, they invent an excuse to leave the exchange. I have noticed that most people like discoursing with people that don't offer a substantial challenge to their position, this way the threat of refutation to their belief is minimized. I reject this bias form of logic, Mill tore it to shreds in the second chapter of his essay On Liberty.
frank September 20, 2020 at 00:59 ¶ #453906
Reply to JerseyFlight I'd be a Christian nihilist if I were a Christian. Present your view to me if you want to. Shall I start a thread on nihilism?
JerseyFlight September 20, 2020 at 01:10 ¶ #453911
Quoting frank
I'd be a Christian nihilist if I were a Christian. Present your view to me if you want to. Shall I start a thread on nihilism?


Thread on Nihilism, this is not for me. The Nihilism of Christians derives from the negation of positive knowledge outside their theological premises.
frank September 20, 2020 at 01:16 ¶ #453913