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Doing what makes you happy vs. Being selfish

Calvin June 22, 2020 at 01:43 3575 views 12 comments
Is the self-interest that comes with doing what makes you happy inherently selfish? When does doing what makes you happy become selfish?

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Outlander June 22, 2020 at 02:31 #426193
Quoting Calvin
Is the self-interest that comes with doing what makes you happy inherently selfish?


It can be a bit of a paradox. A universal dilemma. You could just skirt by everything, school, life, relationships, etc. and get everything you need to be happy. Fortunately or not those kind of people are rarely content with everything they need. Your own selfishness could end up handicapping your own pursuits of pleasure and self indulgence. And how unfortunate. And of course any ability to lend aid to others.

Quoting Calvin
When does doing what makes you happy become selfish?


I'd say it depends on circumstance. Are you barely getting by? How is the family or neighbors? These are the relevant questions I believe.
Marchesk June 22, 2020 at 02:57 #426197
Quoting Calvin
Is the self-interest that comes with doing what makes you happy inherently selfish?


No.

Quoting Calvin
When does doing what makes you happy become selfish?


When it harms others.

Brett June 22, 2020 at 02:59 #426199
Reply to Calvin

Is there actually anything wrong in being selfish? Is being selfish the same as harming others?
Marchesk June 22, 2020 at 03:13 #426205
Reply to Brett It all depends on what's meant by being "selfish'. Someone could say you're being selfish by staying inside playing video games instead of going out to protest the world's injustices. But you aren't causing anyone harm, and you aren't helping either. Should you be helping? Should other people decide that for you? Should you decide for them?

I'd say it's just as selfish for society to determine how an individual should be happy, within the constraints of having to live together.



Brett June 22, 2020 at 03:17 #426208
Reply to Marchesk

What do we mean by selfish then?
Marchesk June 22, 2020 at 03:29 #426214
Quoting Brett
What do we mean by selfish then?


Doing something that disregards someone else's well being, to the extent you're in a position to be responsible.
Brett June 22, 2020 at 03:36 #426217
Reply to Marchesk

Selfish is: Quoting Marchesk
Doing something that disregards someone else's well being,


Is that wrong?
Calvin June 22, 2020 at 04:34 #426224
Reply to Brett I would say being selfish falls more along the lines of advancing oneself in lieu of assisting others, rather than harming others. So I guess there is nothing wrong with being selfish if "wrong" implies hurting others. Yet, some people experience guilt and regret for failing to help others, which reduces happiness. Thus, I believe the answer to my question depends on one's relative utility for helping others vs advancing themselves individually.
Brett June 22, 2020 at 04:55 #426225
Reply to Calvin

Quoting Calvin
Yet, some people experience guilt and regret for failing to help others, which reduces happiness.


Then I don’t think they’d be selfish people. They would be people who tried to be selfish.

How much of ourselves are we expected to give to others? Is it an idea that people regard as important in maintaining a functional society or is it a moral position?







Outlander June 22, 2020 at 05:17 #426226
Without contributing terribly to any arising points or sub points.. if you're making a thread about the idea let alone actually living and thinking about the concept in your daily life. Pretty sure you're due for some. Billions of people, and most around you probably have thought more about alternate endings to Netflix series than they ever spent a moment fathoming another human's misery by their hand. So. For you. Yes and no. You should be selfish enough to prolong your life yet unselfish enough to never be indifferent using resources that others who couldn't understand the opposing concepts if it ripped off their face would take any way.
Brett June 22, 2020 at 06:13 #426236
Reply to Outlander

Quoting Outlander
You should be selfish enough to prolong your life


Only that, or the quality of life.

And is that the same as happiness? Calvin was talking about happiness.

Outlander June 22, 2020 at 07:02 #426246
Reply to Brett

What kind of quality, heh life even, is there surrounded by pain and misery. Some find such. And it is well they do so. Live. Then cease. Happy til that last moment. This is the place for that.

Happiness is complicated. More of a lack of familiarity to a unique monotonous boredom. Your favorite game gets old after a while. So does your favorite food. You could even step it up some. Your favorite half a billion dollar yacht would get boring after a while. Heh, maybe. Variety is the spice of life. After all.