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A dumb riddle with philosophical allusions

Pfhorrest May 21, 2020 at 01:25 8725 views 39 comments
What is the answer to this question?

Comments (39)

Sir2u May 21, 2020 at 02:38 #414499
Yes.
Pfhorrest May 21, 2020 at 03:30 #414512
Reply to Sir2u Nope, that’s not it.
Noble Dust May 21, 2020 at 03:53 #414514
Reply to Pfhorrest

A dumb riddle with no philosophical implications.
Outlander May 21, 2020 at 04:37 #414522
Reply to Pfhorrest

Anything. You didn't say it had to be correct.
Pfhorrest May 21, 2020 at 04:43 #414525
Reply to Outlander “The” answer to a question is the correct answer to it.
Outlander May 21, 2020 at 05:07 #414535
Reply to Pfhorrest

What if there was only one answer ever given to it at any point in time. It would be a question without an answer wouldn't it?

The answer to a contextless supplementary followup question is either a question or a statement. Any of the following.

What question? Or what are you talking about?
I don't know (what question you mean). Or I don't know what you're talking about.

The person does not know what you're talking about, hence any of the following would be correct or true.
Pfhorrest May 21, 2020 at 05:15 #414538
Quoting Outlander
The answer to a contextless supplementary followup question is either a question or a statement.


An answer has to be a statement, but the statement you gave as an example is not an answer, it's just a response.

The whole "contextless" thing is really getting to the point though. What exactly is the question asking? What would an answer to a question like that look like?

I'll give an hint. Or maybe an anti-hint, as it were. This riddle was adapted from a much dumber joke riddle someone one asked me many years ago. The question was the same: "What is the answer to this question?" After a bit of thought I gave an answer -- the answer I'm hoping someone gives here -- and they said no, that's not it. They said that "what" was the answer to that question, treated the question as though it was a statement, telling you its answer, which... no. That annoyed me and reminded me of this xkcd / the "joke" it's about:

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I think there is a much more actually-clever answer to that dumb riddle question, and the question/answer pair shed a bit of interesting light on a few philosophical issues about linguistic meaning and the act of inquiry.
Outlander May 21, 2020 at 05:34 #414546
I get it!! Doesnt that mean Sir2u was right? Punctuation marks do matter. Take the case of some guy or whatever. He declared "Pardon Impossible. To be sent to Siberia!" however the scribe wrote it as "Pardon, Impossible To be sent to Siberia!". As one example.
Outlander May 21, 2020 at 05:45 #414549
Reply to Pfhorrest

Definitely a good one.
Pfhorrest May 21, 2020 at 06:29 #414558
Reply to Outlander I think the thing that you get is the old joke riddle that was told to me, where the answer to the question was "what". This isn't that riddle. I don't like that riddle. This is a version with an answer that actually makes sense, and isn't just unclear communication pretending to be clever like that "words that end in -gry" joke.
Outlander May 21, 2020 at 06:35 #414559
Reply to Pfhorrest

'Nother hint pls.

Does the topic title relate to the answer?
Pfhorrest May 21, 2020 at 06:46 #414565
Reply to Outlander Besides there being philosophical allusions, no.

As for hints, hmm...

[hide="This hint was apparently too good, so hidden"]Whom? You, or them.
When? Now, or then.
Where? Here, or there.[/hide]
Outlander May 21, 2020 at 06:50 #414568
Reply to Pfhorrest

Crap I think I got it. Will check back on this thread tomorrow. As inactive as the 'lounge' is.

Curious there are no threads posted here in the entirety of PF that cannot be seen either in 'All Discussions' or 'The Lounge' are there?

You may want to delete that hint btw. It was pretty good.
Pfhorrest May 21, 2020 at 06:53 #414570
Reply to Outlander I've hidden it now, just in case.
SophistiCat May 21, 2020 at 09:32 #414608
Reply to Pfhorrest I'll go with the quotational approach - that's the opposite of disquotational, as in the disquotational theory of truth.

The answer to this question is "The answer to this question."
Pfhorrest May 21, 2020 at 16:21 #414698
Reply to SophistiCat Very, very close.
Mww May 21, 2020 at 20:05 #414767
Pfhorrest May 21, 2020 at 20:12 #414768
Reply to Mww No, that’s the answer to the even dumber old version of the joke that I hate and invented this one to replace.
Mww May 21, 2020 at 20:15 #414770
Reply to Pfhorrest

Odd, isn’t it? The answer is given in the query, but stating the answer extinguishes the query.

What’s the older version?
Pfhorrest May 21, 2020 at 20:18 #414771
Reply to Mww That is the older version. “What is the answer to this question?” “‘What’ is the answer to that question.” That’s not how language works though.
EnPassant May 21, 2020 at 20:29 #414777
Is it the same as the answer to this question?
Mww May 21, 2020 at 20:32 #414778
Reply to Pfhorrest

So....”What” is the answer to that question.....satisfies the query?

I’m ok with that; I just left out the rest of the declarative.
EnPassant May 21, 2020 at 20:57 #414787
"This is the answer to the question"
Pfhorrest May 21, 2020 at 21:25 #414795
Reply to EnPassant :100: :clap: :up:
Pfhorrest May 21, 2020 at 22:25 #414802
To elaborate:

“What is the answer to X?”
“Y is the answer.”

X = “What is the answer to X?”
Y = “Y is the answer.”

So X = “What is the answer to “What is the answer to “What is the answer to [...]?”?”?”

And Y = “““[...] is the answer.” is the answer.” is the answer.”
Sir2u May 22, 2020 at 02:17 #414844
Quoting Pfhorrest
Nope, that’s not it.


Please explain you reasoning.
Pfhorrest May 22, 2020 at 02:18 #414846
Reply to Sir2u See just above.
Sir2u May 22, 2020 at 02:22 #414850
Quoting Pfhorrest
“What is the answer to X?”


The only answer possible to this question is X itself.

Quoting Pfhorrest
“Y is the answer.”


How did you get X from Y?

X can only be equal to X and Y can only be equal to Y.

So again, explain your reasoning.
Outlander May 22, 2020 at 08:16 #414923
Reply to Pfhorrest

Ah. My guess was 'what' as a concept along the lines of who, when, where, and how.

So 'what' would not be the answer to that question rather what would be a question where 'what' is the answer.

So what I thought was the answer would be a referenced question though not asked as one therefore a statement. Which would be...

[hide]"What is the remaining commonly used interrogative word aside from who, where, when, and why?" Or as a pure a sentence. "A question asking one to identify a common interrogative word aside from who, when, where, and why." Or simply. "A question asking someone to name an interrogative word."[/hide]

Would this not also be correct? :D
EnPassant May 22, 2020 at 10:13 #414940
Quoting Pfhorrest
:100: :clap: :up:


SophistiCat put me on the right track...
Pfhorrest May 22, 2020 at 17:35 #415031
Reply to Outlander If the question could reasonably be interpreted as asking for an interrogative word them sure, “what” would be a good answer, but I don’t see how it could be interpreted that way.

The list of interrogative words and their answers I gave as a hint was meant to suggest “What? This (or that).” And thus a self-referential demonstrative (“this (sentence)”) in answer to self-referential interrogative (“this question”).
Outlander May 22, 2020 at 18:05 #415038
Reply to Pfhorrest

So it was answered and that answer was "this is the answer to the question."?
Pfhorrest May 22, 2020 at 18:54 #415046
Outlander May 22, 2020 at 19:01 #415048
Reply to Pfhorrest

If you'd like, or are bored or something, word by word. Why is that exact sentence the correct answer?

I'd have said it's just saying any answer is the right answer simply because it is being answered.

Apparently 'this' is the key word here?
Pfhorrest May 22, 2020 at 19:04 #415050
Reply to Outlander It doesn’t have to be that exact sentence (I actually had in mind a slightly different one), but it’s the “this” that sells it, yeah. The idea is that the original question is an empty infinite loop of self-reference in the form of a question. So the answer to that is an empty infinite loop of self reference in the form of an answer.

Basically, the answer to “...?” is just “....”.

“This is the answer to that question.” was my exact version, but things like “This is the answer.” or “This is.” or even just “This.” all have basically the same meaning in context and so are acceptable.
Outlander May 22, 2020 at 21:34 #415064
Of all the things I've been through in life I think this is the time I'd ask for a time machine so I could go back to a time before this thread.

Sir2u May 24, 2020 at 03:42 #415354
Reply to Outlander That makes three of us, you and me too.

Maybe if I had written "the answer to this question is yes" it would have been correct.
But the mind boggles at such profound levels of thinking.
Pfhorrest May 24, 2020 at 22:48 #415635
Quoting Sir2u
Maybe if I had written "the answer to this question is yes" it would have been correct.


Nope. Guess you still don’t get it.
Agent Smith July 16, 2022 at 16:54 #719622
What! :snicker: