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Love & Water

TheMadFool May 19, 2020 at 07:15 3600 views 14 comments
W. H. Auden (1907 - 1973) Poet

[quote=W. H. Auden]Thousands have lived without love, not one without water[/quote]

The words of Auden, despite the simplicity, has a sting in its tail.

Love here stands for all that we humans consider to be distinctly identifiable as attributes/objectives/aspirations/abilities/talents
of superior beings, viz. us. These attributes/objectives/aspirations/abilities/talents
then are believed to set us apart from other beings like animals, becoming the basis of an hierarchy in the great chain of being wherein we award ourselves the highest rank.

Water, here serves as the reality check, the sometimes gentle reminder and the sometimes painful slap in the face, consisting of those hard-to-ignore facts of life, like death, sickness, hunger, thirst, etc., that restores us to our rightful place in the great chain of being - not at the top as we're wont to believe but with and among what we've considered beneath us, animals. A case can be made that when things start going south for the world, humans may turn out to be worse than animals but that's another story.

That said, in those attributes/objectives/aspirations/abilities/talents that humans have used as justification to distance themselves from animals, we can see an opportunity to effect a great transformation - the earth, the world, will change forever and for the better if we nurture some of these decidely human "qualities". Perhaps I haven't felt thirsty in a while. Perhaps I haven't loved in a while

Comments (14)

180 Proof May 19, 2020 at 07:37 #413982
W. H. Auden:Thousands have lived without love, not one without water

I wonder if either "love" or "water" here refers to g/G.

Quoting TheMadFool
Perhaps I haven't felt thirsty in a while. Perhaps I haven't loved in a while

What a lonely oasis :smirk: ...
Outlander May 19, 2020 at 07:39 #413983
If you could live without both, which would you prefer?
frank May 19, 2020 at 14:12 #414033
W. H. Auden:Thousands have lived without love, not one without water


You need water. Love isn't a necessity. To live without love is to be powerful and capable of anything, to rob, to betray, to exploit, to maim, to kill.

Love brings you low and makes you forget yourself.
Outlander May 19, 2020 at 14:31 #414037
Reply to frank

So like an animal, an unintelligent person, or someone gripped by psychosis.

Hey if any of these things are 'yourself' forgetting sounds like a service to just about everybody. Can be argued robbing someone wealthier than you to eat or teaching an overly trusting person the value of skepticism is not without it's own morals but anything beyond that is depravity. Meanwhile when they end up in prison who pays an average of 50 grand a year to house and feed them and just about any surgery they need some that would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars? The law-abiding taxpayers of course. So let's not act like there's some sort of macho independence factor in degenerate criminality. The lions made things so much simpler.
180 Proof May 19, 2020 at 14:43 #414041
Quoting frank
To live without love is to be powerful and capable of anything, to rob, to betray, to exploit, to maim, to kill.

"What is hell? I maintain that it is the suffering of being unable to love." ~Fyodor Dostoyevsky

Love brings you low and makes you forget yourself.

So ... no ékstasis ... no anatta ... no moksha ...?
frank May 19, 2020 at 14:51 #414043
Quoting Outlander
be argued robbing someone wealthier than you to eat or teaching an overly trusting person the value of skepticism is not without it's own morals


Love is amoral. 'That which is done out of love takes place beyond good and evil.' ---Nietzsche
frank May 19, 2020 at 14:55 #414044
Quoting 180 Proof
"What is hell? I maintain that it is the suffering of being unable to love." ~Fyodor Dostoyevsky


Yes.

Quoting 180 Proof
So ... no ékstasis ... no anatta ... no moksha ...?


I don't know. Maybe the highest love is those things?
180 Proof May 19, 2020 at 15:00 #414047
TheMadFool May 19, 2020 at 15:47 #414053
Quoting 180 Proof
I wonder if either "love" or "water" here refers to g/G.


I don't know. Perhaps, we don't need to water our love as much as we need to love water.
TheMadFool May 19, 2020 at 15:59 #414055
Quoting 180 Proof
What a lonely oasis


W. H. Auden's life was anything but lonely. He had two lovers, a wife and many off the record sexual liaisons. It amazes me how someone who was succesful in love could form such a low opinion of it.
Outlander May 19, 2020 at 16:10 #414057
Reply to TheMadFool

So is a bartender's. He could've had ten times that. A hundred even. Doesn't mean he ever loved or was loved back. Words are words and gestures are gestures. You know that.

Edit: As far as the bartender analogy I meant to suggest presence of people doesn't always equate social fulfillment or absence of lonliness. Especially for a great mind. Not to say I know a thing about you personally just from what few posts of yours I've read in my short time here they've always been rather intelligent.
Braindead May 19, 2020 at 16:20 #414061
Some people simply don’t feel the need to have love. Or maybe they believe that this world cannot provide the love they desire. It isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it’s just another way of life. Bet there are plenty of decent human beings out there whom happen to be bachelors.
TheMadFool May 19, 2020 at 16:20 #414062
Reply to OutlanderI could never remember the names and locations of the places I had to pass through on the frequent trips I had to take between my home and my school. I knew a few people who did though.
remoku May 19, 2020 at 21:58 #414149
Love is not without trust, or hate.

To say we are not to love is fine, we ultimately aren't there are predispositions involved in love that point to hate and do science.