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Two secular Christmas questions.

Frank Apisa January 19, 2020 at 12:26 2275 views 7 comments
Although we are not religious in any sense of the word, my wife and I do, after a fashion, “celebrate” Christmas. We exchange presents among ourselves, family and friends; send out Christmas cards; decorate the interior and exterior of our house; and have a special family dinner on Christmas Day.

Two areas of discussion arise from that which possibly fall into the “philosophic” area. Kinda interested in what participants here in the forum think of them.

One: Are there implications to the “celebrating” the more secular aspects of Christmas…while not giving even passing thought to the religious reason the “holiday” even exists? Is there an element of hypocrisy involved…or is the activity a normal, non-hypocritical result of living in a culture motivated by that aspect?

And two (A more frivolous consideration): Because of the windowed alcove in which we set the tree, there is an area of that tree which absolutely cannot be seen by anyone inside or outside the house. My wife insists that the area be decorated as fully as the areas that can be seen. Is she nuts…or am I for suggesting it is just a waste of time?


Comments (7)

Nils Loc January 19, 2020 at 17:53 #373219
For the psychological desire for symmetry, an unfinished tree lingers in the imagination like a half mowed lawn.

Don't put any mistletoe above the bidet. I'm told this is one of the few things God can't stand, a tier of importance beneath the golden rule.

Sir2u January 21, 2020 at 00:25 #373761
Quoting Frank Apisa

One: Are there implications to the “celebrating” the more secular aspects of Christmas…while not giving even passing thought to the religious reason the “holiday” even exists? Is there an element of hypocrisy involved…or is the activity a normal, non-hypocritical result of living in a culture motivated by that aspect?

And two (A more frivolous consideration): Because of the windowed alcove in which we set the tree, there is an area of that tree which absolutely cannot be seen by anyone inside or outside the house. My wife insists that the area be decorated as fully as the areas that can be seen. Is she nuts…or am I for suggesting it is just a waste of time?


I can sympathize with this entirely. I am a non believer but my wife is, so I can sort of say that I celebrate for her. That way I can get my Christmas dinner.

Our tree sits in the corner of a bay window that goes around the corner of the house, and there is a part that sits behind the supporting post. My wife insists that the lights and decorations do not get interrupted and that that part looks just like the rest.
That is what we men love about women, the way they think. So entertaining. :wink:
Nils Loc January 21, 2020 at 01:14 #373793
Quoting Sir2u
My wife insists that the lights and decorations do not get interrupted and that that part looks just like the rest.


Maybe she spins the tree around when you're not looking. :P
Frank Apisa January 21, 2020 at 12:59 #374019
Quoting Sir2u
I can sympathize with this entirely. I am a non believer but my wife is, so I can sort of say that I celebrate for her. That way I can get my Christmas dinner.

Our tree sits in the corner of a bay window that goes around the corner of the house, and there is a part that sits behind the supporting post. My wife insists that the lights and decorations do not get interrupted and that that part looks just like the rest.
That is what we men love about women, the way they think. So entertaining. :wink:


Thank you, Sir. I gotta say that I laughed out loud while reading your great response.

We do love 'em!

Frank Apisa January 21, 2020 at 13:00 #374020
Reply to Nils Loc Great response. The kind I was hoping for when I posted the questions.
god must be atheist January 23, 2020 at 14:49 #374688
1. My mother's side is Jewish, my dad's, RC. Not only did we always celebrate Christmas, but so did my mom's side of the family before the war. (Then after that most of the family was murdered in Auschwitz and burnt in the crematoria. My mother was spared for slave labour.)

I am sure we will burn in hellfire for a very long time for faithlessly celebrating Christmas. Because, basically, none of us three children believe in a god at all whatsoever.

2. Visibility of parts: You can always tell if a guy is single or married. Married guys wear ironed pants, blotchless shirts, matching sox, and their car is clean inside and out. Single guys (save for the pedantic) live in a pig-sty, don't shave on week ends, and call on their mothers only when they need a good-old-fashioned home cooked meal.

Your wive's behaviour is normal. So is yours. The human species is a two-species species within the species.

This has evolutionary roots. Men go out and hunt and / or battle; come home with wounds; women heal them. And women, long before any male doctor or medical researcher in the early 1800 formalized their findings (Pasteur, Semmelweiss), have long known about the health benefit of cleanliness, and the psychological benefits of orderliness.

A Seagull February 22, 2020 at 03:29 #384933
Reply to Frank Apisa
'Christmas' was originally a pagan festival to celebrate the end of the year.. the winter solstice (in the Northern hemisphere). There were domestic animals that were not going to make it through the Winter anyway so it made sense to kill them and have a feast. Much later the Christians appropriated the festival and called it 'christmas'. So no its not hypocritical for a non-Christian to celebrate Christmas.