On the nature of happiness, misery, and peace.
This topic has brought me more questions than answers, and I would very much appreciate the input of anyone else willing to share.
After much contemplation I have discovered, what I believe to be, a fundamental truth of the human experience. You cannot have true Peace or objectivity so long as Happiness and Misery exist in your life. I do not see peace as the balancing of happiness and misery, but the absence of both. I see peace and objectivity as one because for me to believe that I know something, but not objectively, causes great dissonance.
I believe that happiness and misery are tied so tightly together that they can be seen as one entity; two sides of the same coin or halves of a wavelength, in that both exist solely in contrast to the other and serve the same purpose within our Egos.
The ego, in this context, is the lens through which we view the objective world. It is the culmination of all that we have experienced, everything that we consider Me. This includes your opinions, fears, joys, desires, biases, purpose, passion, and even what is right or wrong.
For example: Imagine a building that you hold dear, say your childhood home or school, were to catch fire. Objectively, this is only particles shaking, timbers crumbling, and the opening of space on the street, but through our ego we see it as a tragic event. As a result of our attachment we see this as bad, it hurts, and we either give into that or desperately seek to find some optimistic way of viewing it.
I have decided to try and rid myself of my ego entirely, in hopes that I can see the world with true objectivity and experience peace.The cost for this is giving up all that I am and any notions of happiness in my future, though I am quite content with the decision. Initially I worried that this would mean losing everything that made me human, but I'm beginning to see that even what it is to be human is a construct of my ego. I simply want to be and learn, no more and no less.
I believe it to be possible through the means of simple observation. If I can see my bias/attachment and see how it distorts my view of existence, it removes itself.
I admit, it all seems very odd at first.
Thank you for reading this and please, if you find something that I have overlooked or that you would like to add/challenge, let me know.
After much contemplation I have discovered, what I believe to be, a fundamental truth of the human experience. You cannot have true Peace or objectivity so long as Happiness and Misery exist in your life. I do not see peace as the balancing of happiness and misery, but the absence of both. I see peace and objectivity as one because for me to believe that I know something, but not objectively, causes great dissonance.
I believe that happiness and misery are tied so tightly together that they can be seen as one entity; two sides of the same coin or halves of a wavelength, in that both exist solely in contrast to the other and serve the same purpose within our Egos.
The ego, in this context, is the lens through which we view the objective world. It is the culmination of all that we have experienced, everything that we consider Me. This includes your opinions, fears, joys, desires, biases, purpose, passion, and even what is right or wrong.
For example: Imagine a building that you hold dear, say your childhood home or school, were to catch fire. Objectively, this is only particles shaking, timbers crumbling, and the opening of space on the street, but through our ego we see it as a tragic event. As a result of our attachment we see this as bad, it hurts, and we either give into that or desperately seek to find some optimistic way of viewing it.
I have decided to try and rid myself of my ego entirely, in hopes that I can see the world with true objectivity and experience peace.The cost for this is giving up all that I am and any notions of happiness in my future, though I am quite content with the decision. Initially I worried that this would mean losing everything that made me human, but I'm beginning to see that even what it is to be human is a construct of my ego. I simply want to be and learn, no more and no less.
I believe it to be possible through the means of simple observation. If I can see my bias/attachment and see how it distorts my view of existence, it removes itself.
I admit, it all seems very odd at first.
Thank you for reading this and please, if you find something that I have overlooked or that you would like to add/challenge, let me know.
Comments (12)
Stoicism also has a lot in common with that.
Thank you, I will most certainly be looking into the Five Levels of Attachment, it sounds very much in tune with what I'm looking for. It's funny, I came to the conclusions that I did by relaxing and letting things come and go without effort but the way you worded this made it apparent that I'm trying to force these things to happen. I think I may have been approaching this in a counterproductive manner.
Do you have any insight as to how the ego/attachments play with optimism and pessimism? I have often worried that feeding one feeds the other and that a person could only make themselves miserable by trying to see positive in all events. When I see an optimist I feel they enjoy life more but when something hard enough comes along to break through it, they're beyond devastated. And as someone who had been lost in pessimism for many years, I handled tragedy and loss well but dulled myself from feeling any joy at all. They both seem like kinds of distortions to me, and I am curious to know if anyone has managed to balance the two(if they can be balanced, or if they're the same thing) as opposed to attempting to deny them entirely. I would still prefer to limit them as much as I can, but i believe that that will require the same type of control that a person would have to have to manage them.
I've spent a lot of time studying stoicism in the past, but have only recently given any serious thought towards the Buddhist teachings. I would like to see how eastern and western philosophies tie together more. They have roots planted on opposite sides of the planet but seem to have so much in common. The more I look it seems that many on both sides have said the same things but in different ways and this baffles me because if they had never interacted at the time then it is all natural conclusion.
I think it’s possible to experience both joy and loss without attachment. If you recognise joy as an experience of the fleeting present, then you don’t feel the need to hold onto it, but are instead open to experience the joy of the next moment, and the next, and so on. Likewise, if you recognise loss as an experience of attachment to a past experience of this fleeting present, then you realise that you are missing the joy of the next moment by looking for it in the past.
That's probably why you are unhappy. Your black & white belief makes happiness impossible. Philosophical optimism does not deny the duality of reality, but merely ignores the extremes of Good & Evil to focus on the attainable middle ground of OK. That's Aristotle's Golden Mean. Change your belief, change your attitude, change your mood.
If you are the driver of your car, steer for the middle of the road, not the ditches.
I pretty much agree. We can sum this up as mask is lens. What I experience is --without my consent and beyond my control --first filtered through my 'ego,' which includes who I pretend to be for mirror or my ideal self-image (my 'mask').
When it comes to others, it's easy to see bias. And so we can distinguish between what's really going on and the distorted version that the other mistakenly takes (mis-takes) for the situation. As we mature, we also (hopefully) evolve our vision of the world so that we can see our own past self as biased in the same way. We develop a healthy suspicion of our own current understanding. We can postulate the filter mentioned in the first paragraph. 'I, too, am wishful thinking, distorted by hope and fear.'
Quoting PoorAt99
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3207/3207-h/3207-h.htm
Quoting PoorAt99
This reminds me of Schopenhauer. Becoming a kind of still lake that mirrors reality correctly via its passivity is a classic theme. But pointing that out doesn't subtract from the interest of the project. In my own way, I'm on the same page. For me the petty person has to continually die in order to make a colder more accurate knowledge possible. We learn to take the impersonal personally. To me this is still a mask, but it's the mask that strives beyond all idiosyncrasy (the transparent mask, the well-ground lens that lets the truth come through unmolested --or at least molested in a universally human and rational way.)
Quoting PoorAt99
What I'd politely challenge is the implicit identification of virtue with objective knowledge. Why should not knowing objectively be so painful, cause such dissonance?
As mortal, flesh-and-blood beings, we are thrown into our animal appetites. And into the more abstract appetite for knowledge and transcendence through knowledge. Objectivity seems valuable first as just a prudent theory of causes that allows us to thrive as social animals in the world. But the spiritualization of objectivity is like a flight from individual mortality into the relative immortality of a shared cultural heritage, the mind of the species being. As we lose our faith in God, 'He' gets transformed into Knowledge that's not just knowledge.
IMO it's the especially thoughtful people who suffer and react to this situation:
So these thoughtful people create spiritual traditions that help them learn how to die (or learn how to live with a future that can only be disaster for the mortal individual.)
What makes you think you know anything at all 'objectively'?
Isn't it just your ego coming to the fore to think that you do?
In any case, why does it cause you 'dissonance'? Isn't it just a part of the human condition?
Without any strength regarding such subjects, you will be on the wrong side of this face.