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Philosophy and illness

Andrew4Handel January 01, 2020 at 16:07 3175 views 10 comments
I was going to ask for peoples thoughts on the impact of illness on philosophy but then I found this quote that I agree with.

The Philosophical role of illness:

"It suggests that illness modifies, and thus sheds light on, normal experience, revealing its ordinary and therefore overlooked structure. Illness also provides an opportunity for reflection by performing a kind of suspension (epoché) of previously held beliefs, including tacit beliefs."

https://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199669653.001.0001/acprof-9780199669653-chapter-10

I agree with this.

To me illness (which I am currently experiencing) reminds me that I have a body and that body is fallible and finite. I have to try and cope with this finitude. I am not sure how finitude squares with beliefs looking for eternal truths.

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Deleted User January 01, 2020 at 16:54 #367606
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Pfhorrest January 01, 2020 at 17:14 #367608
Over the past year I was struck by a physical illness of unknown cause that then caused severe mental disturbance (anxiety and dread) that coincided with the pre-planned (for years) rewriting of my philosophy book, and had a major impact on the last chapter of it (on the meaning of life) which I hadn’t even planned to write until shortly before all of that happened and barely had any material for, but is now the longest chapter in the book.
Deleted User January 01, 2020 at 19:53 #367642
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NOS4A2 January 01, 2020 at 20:02 #367646
Reply to Andrew4Handel

To me illness (which I am currently experiencing) reminds me that I have a body and that body is fallible and finite. I have to try and cope with this finitude. I am not sure how finitude squares with beliefs looking for eternal truths.


It’s true that disease, illness and pain are keen reminders of our mortality, but to push it a little further, they should remind you that you are a body, as fragile as you are finite.
180 Proof January 01, 2020 at 20:11 #367653
[i]Well-being is a concept
by which we measure our
ill-being[/i]

No doubt Gautama or Epicurus or Spinoza or ... would agree.

Quoting Andrew4Handel
To me illness (which I am currently experiencing) reminds me that I have a body and that body is fallible and finite. I have to try and cope with this finitude.

:death: Memento mori, memento vivare. :flower:

[quote=Andrew4Handel]I am not sure how finitude squares with beliefs looking for eternal truths[/quote]
Amor fati.
Andrew4Handel January 02, 2020 at 17:50 #367878
Quoting NOS4A2
It’s true that disease, illness and pain are keen reminders of our mortality, but to push it a little further, they should remind you that you are a body, as fragile as you are finite.


I am not sure whether I am just a body or a body and a mind. But physical illness does make the body dominate the mind.

Ironically though strong bodily sensations are strong mental sensations. For example you can have a leg cut of under anesthetic and feel nothing. You have to be conscious to be aware of a body.

But if all we are is a finite body then what is the point of philosophy If we can't transcend our body and finitude? Questions will end temporally.

I think knowledge and concepts are mental representations not external things. Symbolic? So I think they must die with us if our mind dies with our body and we can no longer symbolise reality.
Andrew4Handel January 02, 2020 at 17:55 #367880
Quoting tim wood
It leaves the question as to whether mania - madness - itself can produce anything of real worth. At the moment it seems to me that can only be in a negative sense, the words and pictures - the works - produced by madness being ultimately a kind of accident, and of only incidental or accidental value.


The role of illness in creativity is hard to assess. Most people experience some illness and adversity in their life. How can we prove or disprove that it was influential in their creativity?

When thing that illness disease and hardship creates is innovation to overcome these things. I don't know how much academia/philosophy/science/art etc would exist if we were content all the time?

I have not come across a cure for depression and similar conditions that suggests we should think more in depths as opposed to things like altering thoughts, mindfulness meditation and looking for positives/CBT.
Andrew4Handel January 02, 2020 at 18:01 #367881
I am going to look into the work of Havi Carel more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havi_Carel

I found out she has an incurable but slow acting illness that influenced her choice of philosophy topic.

But there are lots of different illnesses and also disabilities some of which are illnesses that give people different perceptions of reality.

Cognitive neuroscience has been heavily based on neurological disorders, brain lesions and brain injures. Disorder and absence can show what constitutes normality.
unenlightened January 03, 2020 at 21:19 #368205
Quoting Andrew4Handel
Cognitive neuroscience has been heavily based on neurological disorders, brain lesions and brain injures. Disorder and absence can show what constitutes normality.


Imagine a computer science based on what happens when you hit the buggers with a hammer...
Andrew4Handel January 04, 2020 at 02:40 #368271
Reply to unenlightened

That is not how it works. A person with brain problems can provide feedback whilst in that state.