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Do what you will

waechter418 November 30, 2019 at 22:06 6275 views 21 comments

....arguable the most common and certainly most original manner of Selfrealisation got in the course of mans histories discriminated as outcrop of ego, defamed as antisocial and reprimanded as immoral, whereas Self suffered denials and Will became synonymous with wishes and desires.

There have been plenty of attempts, famously by Buddha and Lao-tse, to reconnect man to his so called true Nature/Self/Will/Atman, and were doubtless easier in “old times”, than in the current division/multiplication process (progress) that has become synonymous with western civilisation.

In the Occident “Do what you will” was mostly confined to philosophical discussions and apparently neither understood nor applied as a way of Selfrealisation, since Will got divided into a divine and a human property, latter characterised by emotions (like wishes & desires) which in turn are the driving forces of its fragmentation.
And as the latter seems to grow exponentially, and with it the confusion and helplessness of its subjects, Do your Will becomes more urgent than ever, as it overrides the restrictions of Dualism and thus enables Selfrealisation according to ones true Self/Nature/Will/Atman.

Comments (21)

ovdtogt November 30, 2019 at 23:09 #357772
Quoting waechter418
arguable the most common and certainly most original manner of Selfrealisation got in the course of mans histories discriminated as outcrop of ego, defamed as antisocial and reprimanded as immoral,

I think you should read 'Atlas shrugged' by Ayn Rand. That was her 'bug bear'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged.
frank December 01, 2019 at 00:01 #357788
Reply to waechter418 'Love and do what you will' is the western version. It's Neoplatonic.
Janus December 01, 2019 at 00:12 #357794
Reply to frank Yes, not Crowley's Thelema: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law".
frank December 01, 2019 at 00:18 #357796
Quoting Janus
Yes, not Crowley's Thelema: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law".


I knew you were a cabbalist. :razz:
Valentinus December 01, 2019 at 00:31 #357798
Reply to waechter418
I don't know. What if your descriptions of what previous traditions expressed were incorrect?
How would one go about talking about that?
Janus December 01, 2019 at 00:42 #357805
Reply to frank Perhaps I should be? :wink:
Tzeentch December 01, 2019 at 08:48 #357907
"Do what you will" as a starting point is untenable, since there's a psychological and philosophical process that needs to take place before one can truly understand what it is the self "wills".

So, in my view, it is not so much the point of departure as it is the final station.
Wayfarer December 01, 2019 at 09:01 #357908
Quoting frank
Love and do what you will' is the western version. It's Neoplatonic.


Augustine, I had thought. And Crowley is as good a stand in as anyone for the anti-christ.
frank December 01, 2019 at 12:52 #357951
Quoting Wayfarer
Augustine, I had thought. .


Yep. Do you remember why Augustine said that?
waechter418 December 01, 2019 at 17:27 #357985
Do what you will entails the cognition: one is what one does = one does what one is

Being spontaneous Will manifests Self unadulterated.

The space/time of Will is here/now - and so is Self realisation.

waechter418 December 01, 2019 at 17:30 #357987
What is here called Self, is the core or coordinate of the mind/body - psyche/soma - relativity, and as such represents ones true nature, position and course in the universe
180 Proof December 02, 2019 at 11:48 #358288
Paraphrasing old Schop: Yeah, you can 'do what you will' but you can't will what you will (i.e. the switch doesn't flip itself on or off).
ovdtogt December 02, 2019 at 12:23 #358304
Reply to 180 Proof I wonder what the world would look like if everyone did what they wanted? Most people just do what they believe they have to most of the time.
khaled December 02, 2019 at 12:59 #358319
Reply to ovdtogt Honestly, I don't think it would be so different. Soon enough people will realize that the most realistic way to do what they want includes doing some things you don't want and then we'll be back to the way the world is right now.
ovdtogt December 02, 2019 at 13:06 #358321
Reply to khaled The fact society operates as it does is testament that we are incapable of doing as we want. We are driven by our fears and desires and they more or less dictate how we behave.
khaled December 02, 2019 at 22:23 #358447
Reply to ovdtogt "Driven by our desires" and that would be the same in case everyone did what they wanted and eventually "Driven by our fears" would also be the case as people will use fear to get what they desire. But I'm not really interested in discussing this because very wide generalizations like these are not useful in any way shape or form
ovdtogt December 03, 2019 at 00:13 #358476
Reply to khaled if I am driven by a desire to own a Porsche, how does that make me do what I want?
If I am driven by my fear of failure, how does that make me get what I want?
khaled December 03, 2019 at 01:19 #358485
Reply to ovdtogt Quoting ovdtogt
I am driven by a desire to own a Porsche, how does that make me do what I want?


"I am driven by my desire to own a prosche" and "I want a Porsche" are synonyms. If you do something because you want a Porsche you are doing what you want.

Quoting ovdtogt
driven by my fear of failure,


Is an oxymoron
ovdtogt December 03, 2019 at 01:28 #358490
Most people are not doing the job they want but the job that pays for the things they want.

Fear of failure seldom leads to succes.
Seagully December 08, 2019 at 14:11 #360631
Buddha believed that all things are expressions of the mind, of an objective reality, therefor, Do What You Will means doing what the abstract reality wills.

Meaning, when you are most yourself, when you are one with this reality, then you are manifestation of your pure will and "can't harm", or "only positive".

In today's times, we can interpret it to this: Do what you will, as long as it's in line with the law.

Of course laws can be corrupt, but the same values apply. We are all one mind expressing itself subjectively, therefor, we need governing rules, like the law, in order to maintain order to our subjectivity.

People are more focused on achieving materialistic wealth than abstract wealth, e.g being one with the mind, the universal manner of thinking.

What I'm trying to say is that in today's times, this universal manner of thinking comes through what most agree with: Aspects such as democracy, law, etc.

it's also why philosophy is dying out, because most people fail to see the impact of abstract thinking in a world that is "expressing" its "mind" through materialistic means, such as the ones described above.

Different times, same reality, basically.
ovdtogt December 08, 2019 at 16:38 #360695
Quoting Seagully
it's also why philosophy is dying out,


Because philosophy should push against the boundaries of scientific knowledge and most people are scientifically illiterate.