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Everything Exists, Even if it Doesn't

Bay3z September 26, 2019 at 22:56 2675 views 6 comments
Every single human being has a unique mind full of experiences, ideas, and opinions of their own. I liken our minds to our own personal universe where we can interpret the world around us in the comfort of our own conscious. We can even imagine brand new things that no one else knows about. Little kids, for example, create their own imaginary friends that none of us can see, but they have little doubt that these creatures exist. These figments of our imagination may not be physical, but they do indeed exist. A thought does not have to manifest into the physical world in order to be known. Look at fairy tales of dragons, dragons do not exist in the physical world, but they do exist in our minds. If ideas stayed non-existent then many inventions, like the airplane would not be in our physical world today. There is a difference between real and existing: Being real is defined as "actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed" while existing, does not mean that whatever is being discussed needs to be physically present. Therefore, every possible thing that could be imagined, exists, it just may not be real.

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aletheist September 26, 2019 at 23:56 #334757
Quoting Bay3z
There is a difference between real and existing: Being real is defined as "actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed" while existing, does not mean that whatever is being discussed needs to be physically present.

There is indeed a difference between "real" and "existing" in metaphysics, but this is not it. I find Charles Sanders Peirce's definitions especially helpful: the real is that which is as it is regardless of what any individual mind or finite group of minds thinks about it, while existing is reacting with other things in the environment. Accordingly, everything that exists is real, but not everything that is real exists; and purely imaginary creatures like dragons are neither real nor existing, they are fictions.

That said, I acknowledge that "existing" is also employed in logic for anything that is in the universe of discourse. In that sense, Hamlet exists in the play by Shakespeare, and dragons exist in certain fairy tales. Moreover, there is a real play by Shakespeare about a Prince of Denmark named Hamlet; but all of his attributes depend entirely on what Shakespeare's mind thought about him, so Hamlet himself is not real. Likewise, there are real fairy tales about dragons; but all of their attributes depend entirely on what various people's minds have thought about them over the centuries, so dragons themselves are not real. In the metaphysical sense, the play and the fairy tales exist in different physical forms--books, performances, recordings, etc.--but Hamlet and dragons themselves do not exist.
fresco September 27, 2019 at 05:45 #334840
Reply to Bay3z Reply to Bay3z I refer you to my 'Existence is Relative' thread.
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/5901/existence-is-relative-not-absolute
I doubt whether introduction of the word 'real' contributes anything to the understanding of 'existence' once we have defined them both in terms of contextual usage. All we can say is that some 'things' imply physicality, and others do not. Pragmatists reject the 'reality debate' as futile.
Shamshir September 27, 2019 at 07:03 #334863
Reply to Bay3z Just replace real with evident.
NotHuman September 29, 2019 at 18:35 #335755
How about those occult stuff, i read somewhere that person emotions and subconscious can cause a poltergeists effect, so thinking about it maybe we exist on multiple layers of dimensions that interact with each other when human is under certain conditions same with meditation: its like we dive into deeper state of mind and you can start to see things you never saw and feel what you normaly wouldnt
Terrapin Station September 29, 2019 at 19:30 #335771
Quoting Bay3z
Being real is defined as "actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed" while existing, does not mean that whatever is being discussed needs to be physically present. Therefore, every possible thing that could be imagined, exists, it just may not be real.


If being real is "actually existing," and that's different than just imagining things, then imagined things don't actually exist, do they?
unenlightened September 29, 2019 at 20:27 #335781
Quoting Bay3z
Every single human being has a unique mind full of experiences, ideas, and opinions of their own.


That of course is your own experience. Don't expect anyone else to see things the same way.