relationship to the universe
"We are not part of the universe completely owned, but the whole universe partially possessed." Teilhard
Sounds like someone a Native American shaman would say. Faith can create its own reality, so blocking faith for this reason (a desire to be objective), other options are opened up, which people will say is faith still. What does philosophy say about these vague ideas
Sounds like someone a Native American shaman would say. Faith can create its own reality, so blocking faith for this reason (a desire to be objective), other options are opened up, which people will say is faith still. What does philosophy say about these vague ideas
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The ideas are so vague I don't get what's being said, exactly.
Similar ideas can be found in every philosophical, religious, spiritual, and mystical tradition.
Quoting Gregory
Is that what Teilhard is saying? I don't get that from the quote. Maybe you should give us more to work with.
If things go well you:
When push comes to shove, it's all about awareness.
This is the same thing that occurs with rigorous, good therapy! The unexamined life...
Plus, philosophical discussions are very helpful in impressing the dudes. At least in my experience. I therefore conclude that it can impress chicks as well.
Maybe from therapy or meditation one could also hope for peace.
Quoting uncanni
I haven't seen that my philosophical skills have impressed anyone much. Luckily, at 67 I don't have to worry about that.
I'm 66, and I don't really worry about impressing anyone either, but it's nice to know when others appreciate our intellectual prowess or the application of a bit of our knowledge... ;-}
You've come to the wrong place. On the forum all you'll find is lesser minds jealous of our brilliance.
As I'm not familiar enough, the quote you give is insufficient - owned by whom, possessed by whom?
Also why do you call it "deconstructuralist"? I expect that for shamans it is anything but.
I am normal; you can talk to me.
...in fareness to others on the forum, as well as the forum itself, that defensiveness and/or anger is unfortunately a microcosm of where much of society seems to be... . There are a lot of angry people out there.
Obviously there are numerous reasons for that, self-awereness and Freudian ego probably topping the list. The current political environment too.
Aristotle said (in paraphrase) the greatest gift we could give to ourselves is to 'know thyself'.
The lack thereof could speak to some of your concern...
You are both too kind to write what you have written!! I'm liking it more and more around here! I've been longing to find a place where we can go DEEP on the ideas, and this may be that place.
3017amen: Yes, the usa is an unhappy place right now, and expressing a lot of emotional anguish/dispair/hopelessness. Maybe that's where much of the anger comes from. I'm working hard on not "acting out."
PoeticUniverse: Normal!!! You are probably more normally Extraordinary than you are extraordinarily Normal.
Well thank you kindly for the gracious compliment I'm not worthy.
On the other hand poetic universe inspires me every time I read his poems... !!
You'll be fine here on this forum!
Now you're asking for it!
Life’s a continual cosmic energy dance,
From an ultimate underlying happenstance.
We’re immersed in matter’s universal rhythm;
Therefore, we must all participate in the dance.
For the others, who ignore life’s romance:
Ignorance, like shadow, has no substance.
The shade is removed by the light within—
Feel the rhythm of the universal dance!
Like the moon, challenge night and gain the light;
Like the rose, suffer the thorn—gain the fragrance;
Of life, surrender to live forever—
Enlightened more than a thousand suns.
Go forward go forward, have no tear
For without illumination one has fear
S.O.U.L
Push forward, and deeper, beyond thy fears;
We guide thee, we lift thee, we dry thy tears;
We’re illumination beside thee—of
The Spirits Of Unconditional Love.
Love takes two
two becomes one
While crowds say three
We still lift thee
Giving numbers are you
Stealing them a crime
Allow the passage of time
For love to be true
Inspired by Shelley's style:
— The Love Story of the Earth and the Moon —
[i]I am thy moon, thy constant satellite,
Thy crystal paramour of day and night.
Above and below, and within thy sight,
I whirl around you in loving delight.
In a magnetic dance, I whirl and twirl,
Attracted to you, the liveliest world;
Around you as a necklace I’m aswirl—
Wear me as thy crystalline gem impearled.
Wherever thou orbits ‘round Apollo,
I must twirl and whirl, hurry and follow;
Dust I gather, meteors I swallow,
Ranging far and wide through space not hollow.
Thy romantic beam, as Cupid’s arrow,
Pierces my heart and kills my sorrow,
Injecting life and love for tomorrow;
Henceforth, I’ll shine with this life I borrow.
Around you I whirl, a necklace of pearl,
Trailing afterimages of my world,
Adorning you, thy bosom bountiful,
With crystalline gems of another world.[/i]
Oh, moon, thy Earth would wobble like a top
With your steadying influence not,
In turns quick of searing and freezing ruins,
Unto dying soon, without you, oh moon!
As twin planets, our orbits must convolve;
Into each our tidal motions dissolve.
Around a common center we revolve—
The focus from which our passions evolve.
As twin planets, each other’s way we pave,
With the push-pulse of the graviton wave.
We’re captured, but not as each other’s slave,
For to the sun our orbits are concave.
[i]To your lines of flux my path I align—
I’m your constant paramour, crystalline;
Your world pours life on mine, on mine!
Dearest Earth, I must be thine, must be thine!
A magnetic beam emanates from thee,
Attracting me, holding me, kissing me;
Tidal love washes freely over me,
Linking you and me for eternity.
Basking warmly in your reflected light,
I’m bright, oh, so radiant in your sight!
In the love and light of your spirit bright
I need not ever face the endless night.[/i]
Your vibrations travel without a sound,
Circling from all directions to surround;
This affection touches me ‘round and ‘round
And closely binds me to you—I’m love-bound!
We’re as different as midnight and noon,
Yet drawn close by the force of Earth and moon;
As lovers we merge in a sweet eclipse,
When world meets world as a kiss on our lips.
[i]Oh, as your shadow of love covers me
I am full, so full in the shade of thee;
When we overlap, that union is us;
The you is in me, the me is in thee![/I]
As moon and Earth, we bathe in radiance,
Cleansing our hearts in love’s grand alliance;
Around and around each other we dance,
Entranced by the whirl of our dalliance.
My blood runs warm with the sun’s heat at noon.
My spirit is swept by thee, swelling moon.
Space surrounds us. The tides flow through us.
Global rhythms are always playing our tune.
When the sun burns out, and, soon after,
When the Earth grows cold from that disaster,
When galaxies die and rotate no more,
Then what remains is our love, thereafter.
I looked up deconstructionist and a strong version of it seems to mean that words only "mean" other "meaningless" words. . This, being nominalist reification, is a version of fundamentalism in effect. Therefore it doesn't get us anywhere.
Hume far overdid "scepticism" and people take him and the likes of Derrida too seriously, so we have to do lots of homework to rescue the reputation of philosophy from the opprobrium which on the basis of its substance it should never have been laid open to.
On this forum we are all talking to all of each other, fortunately.