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Collapse of the World Trade Center

Michael June 06, 2019 at 09:28 5350 views 15 comments
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Shawn June 06, 2019 at 08:10 #294998
So, it's been almost 18 years and I'm still a 9/11 skeptic... Ehh.
Michael June 06, 2019 at 08:51 #295016
Quoting Wallows
So, it's been almost 18 years and I'm still a 9/11 skeptic... Ehh.


I can assure you, 9/11 is a real date. Of course, that date is 9th November.
Shawn June 06, 2019 at 09:04 #295024
Reply to Michael

Yes, tries and wallows to sleep.

Reply to Michael

It's just an insult to intelligence to assume all three buildings fell due to fires. Yeah, there was a third building...
Michael June 06, 2019 at 09:21 #295032
Quoting Wallows
It's just an insult to intelligence to assume all three buildings fell due to fires. Yeah, there was a third building...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center#Mechanics_of_Twin_Towers'_collapse

It wasn't just due to fires. The planes themselves damaged the walls and pillars of the floor(s) they hit and so they couldn't support the floor(s) above. The momentum of the floor(s) above falling down then transferred to the floor below, and the building wasn't designed to resist dynamic loads like that. Weakening by fire plus the ever-increasing tons of falling steel and concrete lead to a collapse.
Shawn June 06, 2019 at 09:26 #295038
Reply to Michael

Wow, so we're actually going to argue over this ...

It's bedtime for me so I'm reluctant to get too excited; but, how did WTC7 collapse at free-fall acceleration?

Make a cup of joe and see this (qualified) analysis of WTC7's free fall collapse:

https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/free-fall-acceleration
Michael June 06, 2019 at 10:05 #295057
Quoting Wallows
how did WTC7 collapse at free-fall acceleration?


It didn't. Part of the collapse was at free-fall acceleration, but not all of it.

https://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610

The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:

• Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
• Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
• Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity

This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent time—compared to the 3.9 second free fall time—was due primarily to Stage 1, which corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model, which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above. In Stage 3, the acceleration decreased as the upper portion of the north face encountered increased resistance from the collapsed structure and the debris pile below.
Shawn June 06, 2019 at 10:06 #295058
Quoting Michael
Part of the collapse was at free-fall acceleration, but not all of it.


Then explain how that is possible?
Michael June 06, 2019 at 10:07 #295060
Reply to Wallows It's right there in my quote:

During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model, which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above.


Shawn June 06, 2019 at 10:17 #295063
Reply to Michael

"Negligible support" would still provide resistance. The collapse we see cannot be due to a column failure, or a few column failures, or a sequence of column failures. All 24 interior columns and 58 perimeter columns had to have been removed over the span of eight floors low in the building simultaneously to within a small fraction of a second, and in such a way that the top half of the building remains intact and uncrumpled.

Anyway, take a second to review everything here:

https://www.ae911truth.org/
Michael June 06, 2019 at 10:25 #295069
Quoting Wallows
"Negligible support" would still provide resistance.


But a negligible amount which means not enough to make a difference.

If I were to stand in front of a train I would provide negligible resistance, and so the train would carry on through me with no noticeable deceleration.
Shawn June 06, 2019 at 10:27 #295071
Reply to Michael

Are you serious?
Michael June 06, 2019 at 10:32 #295074
Quoting Wallows
Are you serious?


Yes.

Are you serious in suggesting that it was a planned demolition or whatever it is 9/11 skeptics believe? Because if it were that there'd be far more evidence than just part of one building collapsing at free fall acceleration for 2.5s. That's an incredible reach.
Shawn June 06, 2019 at 10:38 #295076
Reply to Michael

No, I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot and come off as a loon. 8 floors essentially vanished for 2.5s and the only reason they did was due to what NIST called "progressive failure".

And we haven't even touched on the fact that you would have to blast every 24 interior collums with some incredible heat to weaken them ALL to the point of essentially turning them into Swiss cheese, and this all happened near instantly.
Shawn June 06, 2019 at 10:40 #295077
Here's the graph:

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Shawn June 06, 2019 at 12:46 #295087
Kinda dramatic; but, gets the point across: